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Cub Scouts wasnt this fun when I was a kid
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2005, 01:18:31 PM »
Ive done all that and tons more. The only difference between us and the boyscouts is that we dont sell cookies.
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Re: Cub Scouts wasnt this fun when I was a kid
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2005, 01:40:29 PM »
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I think I got gypped.  :(

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Back in the day, our cub scout pack spent the weekend at Grissom AFB near Peru, Indiana for Air Force Day.  We had a blast, checking out B-52s, tankers, shooting at the rifle range...

That was about 1967, I think.  If your scout pack/troop didn't do cool stuff like that, you had uninspired adult leaders.  Most military, police, fire, etc.  outfits LOVE having the scouts around--it allows them to show the next generation what is out there.

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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2005, 02:27:44 PM »
My scout troop spent a 3 day weekend at a Navy/Marine Corps survival school somewhere in SoCal, a 3 day weekend spearfishing from Navy land on San Clemente Island off of San Diego, plus a bunch of other stuff.  Mostly it was outdoors/camping trips but occasionally we'd get to use military land or get tours.  The survival school was cool...  The instructor showed us how to kill rabbits and we had rabbit stew for dinner :)

Hard to do that nowadays with all the lawsuits but from the looks of that article, I guess not all is lost.
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Re: Re: Cub Scouts wasnt this fun when I was a kid
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2005, 02:57:10 PM »
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Back in the day, our cub scout pack spent the weekend at Grissom AFB near Peru, Indiana for Air Force Day.  We had a blast, checking out B-52s, tankers, shooting at the rifle range...

That was about 1967, I think.  If your scout pack/troop didn't do cool stuff like that, you had uninspired adult leaders.  Most military, police, fire, etc.  outfits LOVE having the scouts around--it allows them to show the next generation what is out there.


The only really useful things we learned were how to make our own fishin poles and about starting and keeping a campfire.  Useful information no doubt, and I'm grateful for it.  And I did have fun tramping around in the woods and camping and learning different animals and plants and such.  But despite the fact that all of us kids had guns of our own (even if only BB guns), and all of the scout leaders were active hunters, we never did anything with guns, or police or anything else.  Of course there werent any military bases close by, we didnt have cops, and our fire dept was all volunteer (we only had one fire truck, 1950s vintage, and a donated natl. guard truck with a water tank on the back for hauling water to a fire with no hydrants).

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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2005, 03:18:52 PM »
My Dad was our Webelo leader. Do they still have Webelos? We spent a lot of time in our garage building steam engines and home made electric motors and stuff like that. Camping trips were to fun spots like Mitchell Caverns. We'd get dropped off about 2 miles away from the campground and the dads would drive on ahead. I used to wonder why they wanted to miss all the fun of a 2 mile walk across the desert.

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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2005, 03:40:55 PM »
They had electricity when you were growing up?
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2005, 03:53:06 PM »
First off, I like the Boyscouts... they give kids alot and I am in agreement with allowing them to hike, rappeling, and phyiscal pursuits with the military.

However,  I am COMPLETELY against them learning information vital to the military or allowing them to handle military weapons or anything greater than a simple hunting rifle or shotgun and only then with a sport use in mind.

I think Goering compared the Hitler Youth to the Amercan Boy Scouts and it was explained to him that the Boy Scouts didn't handle military firearms. I guess that has changed...
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2005, 04:00:01 PM »
Big difference I see from the Boy Scouts and the Hitler Youth is that I highly doubt a Boy Scout plans on growing up and sacrificing their lives to genocide and war.
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2005, 04:00:54 PM »
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They had electricity when you were growing up?
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Yea, we would just take 2 smart-aleck punk kids and rub their heads together.

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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2005, 04:02:19 PM »
What delirium said its a bit scary those 8 year old boys can wait.
i used to be scouting too as a kid and probably wished all this.

But looking now at it its pretty unethic.

Im all for survival training and hiking etc.
but not that.

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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2005, 04:07:13 PM »
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Big difference I see from the Boy Scouts and the Hitler Youth is that I highly doubt a Boy Scout plans on growing up and sacrificing their lives to genocide and war.


Like your signature you're wrong on this count as well.

Heres the snopes link.

Snopes link
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2005, 04:23:19 PM »
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Like your signature you're wrong on this count as well.

Heres the snopes link.

Snopes link



Thankyou for pointing out the obvious.
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2005, 04:53:23 PM »
Delerium, he knows the quote in his sig is wrong, he did it purposely that way.  

I can see your point about the Hitler Youth program, and the comparisons.  There really isnt a difference, except one.  Here we promote loyalty to an ideal:  America.  Hitler promoted loyalty to himself.   You may see the difference as splitting hairs, I see it as all the difference in the world.  If you have a problem with this, then you must have a problem with JROTC and high school age military academies?  You would really hate Switzerland.  Funny they never had any little Hitlers running around, and they introduce children to military and shooting programs at a young age as well.  There is nothing at all wrong with exposing youth to the discipline and tools of the military.  There is every problem twisting their minds with such tools as racial superiority and blind faith in individuals over guiding principles.

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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2005, 04:54:09 PM »
Delirium,

It's a fun weekend trip, not "training".  One visit to a military base to see their stuff is not "training".

At the very very worst,  it's early recruitment.  But not a single child was there without the express permission and encouragement of their parents, so even that charge would be weak.

You're right, if the national guard sponsored the yearly camporees and jamborees, complete with military-style competitions and actual military training, then it would be out of line.  But a trip like this is just another life experience.

Heck, you may as well claim that the boy scouts are brainwashing kids to create liberal hippie tree huggers because in many (most?) troops, you have to organize and lead some sort of environment preservation project to become an eagle scout.  Again, it's about giving kids life experiences that they would probably never be able to get anywhere else.  When I went through 3 USAF survival schools, my scouting experience resulted in me being almost instantly at ease in the various environments we were put in, whether it was in 2 ft of snow in the colorado mountains or paddling around in a Florida bay in springtime.  The guys who didn't have any outdoors or scouting backgrounds as kids were pretty easily identifiable, because they're the ones who were near panic the second the bus passed the last 7-11 on the road up into the mountains.

While Camping at Pendleton, we collected hundreds of expended dummy rounds and MG links, creating some 20 ft of MG belt ammo, and had fun pretending to be marines for a few days.  It sure didn't turn us into jackboot thugs...
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