Author Topic: G8 Demonstrations (Read 1784 times)

Eagler · « **on:** July 20, 2001, 01:25:00 PM »

What are they demonstrating for?? What do they think to gain by being so violent? Heard one demonstrator got shot in the head today. Sorry, they lost my sympathy and interest when I see them tearing up roads to hurl the stones at the local businesses and other assorted violence. Looks like another excuse for mob driven idiotic senseless violence. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010720/ts/group_leadall_dc_12.html

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miko2d · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2001, 02:30:00 PM »

Some people want their ideas implemented so much, that they disregard wishes of the public and force their ideas with violence. Usually they have some kind of "common good" justification for their actions too. Such people are called tyrants and those demonstrators are the clearest example of a tyrant type.

If people did not want global corporations, they would not be buying their products.
If people did not want their governments signing global treaties, they would elect different governments.
If people wanted conservation, they would conserve, period.

There are at least two democratic ways to affect the outcome:
1. Conduct political propaganda campaign in order to get representation in the government and make the laws they want. There are quite a few one-issue candidates here who get elected.
2. Conduct education/explanation campaign to persuade people to conserve and not to buy products of corporations that are "misbehaving". The campaighn agaisnt Nike and sweatshops was quite effective - at least here in US.

Of course those protestors know wery well that they would not get any public support - public does not share their views.
Since they disregard the will of the people, they resort to violence. it is very easy for them to disregard the will of the people because whoever does not support them must be stupid or wrong and has to be helped whether public wants it or not.

If they had more power, they would try to grab the power like communists in Russia in 1917 or in Cuba so that they could bring bright future to the people who are too stupid to know what's good for them. If a few get hurt in the process, it's for the common good, right?

What's new?

miko

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GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2001, 02:57:00 PM »

WTG Italian Police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im so happy one of those retard Communist/Anarchist kids got killed.

I honestly hope many many many more of these idiots are shot to death in the following protests. They are asking for it, and deserve it.

Once again, WTG Italian Police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ripsnort · « **Reply #3 on:** July 20, 2001, 03:09:00 PM »

Ouch Grun, tough words bud!

These violent demonstrations are a good example of what happens when children are poorly educated, and easily brainwashed.

Gadfly · « **Reply #4 on:** July 20, 2001, 03:14:00 PM »

Let's see, wear a skimask, tear toejam up and fight the police. Sounds like a fun weekend to me, but I don't think it will have much effect on anything.

tofri · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2001, 03:25:00 PM »

The problem are the politicians, who were demonstrating in the '60s.
They think, that someone, who is rioting on the street against the goverment, must be right by definition. It doesn't matter, what is on their banner, as long as they throw stones, they must have some good ideas

Fatty · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2001, 04:00:00 PM »

But...but...they're out there fighting for your right to live in an anarchic society!

Yeah, I've no sympathy for any twit that dresses in full battle gear and charges at police.

Animal · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2001, 04:05:00 PM »

I have no sympathy for these idiots..

but being happy for their deaths?

diddly you grunherz.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #8 on:** July 20, 2001, 04:42:00 PM »

Animal:

You have never lived in a country where the government is founded on that fellow's beliefs....

Im not happy for that "individuals" death. Im not so blinded by my utter hatred of his idiotic behavior and beliefs to not realize that he is a real person with a real life, and a real life story, who woke up that morning for the last time, whose father or mother spoke to him a few days ago, who may be a young father for all I know. Such a loss brings me no joy.

However im deeply satisfied to see the that ski-masked leftist/anarchist hooligan who threw molotov cocktails at the police and local business just 5 minutes before the picture was taken lying there dead.

Im diddlying sick of these little middle class/rich western European and US kids prancing around chanting the benefefits of Communism and anarchy in 2001. I have lived in a Communist country. Its no good. These idiots are just that neo-Leftist radicals and wannabe revolutinaries just like their greatgrandfathers were in the first 30years of this century. They are terrorists, no different than Hizbullah, no different than the Jewish terrorists in mid 1940s Israel/Palestine, no different than IRA, no different than neo-Nazi skinhead idiots, no different than any bunch of violent gangs that do this kind of crap.

Apparently he was also part of a fring group of "demonstrators" who travel to these events JUST TO ATTACK THE POLICE. These type of people dress up in ski masks and steel hardhats and put on extensive padding and gasmaks in order to directly combat the police. They bring molotov cocktails other weapons. They are asking the police, who are also just other people, for trouble.

This bastard was unlucky but it was bound to happend. Mobs of people dont directly attack
armed police and get away with it without going too far sooner or later. This one went to far. If you have read some of the reports one.

I dont wanna write anymore about these people. Im sad a person lost his life, but im happy to see that photo there with that ski-masked terrorist dead.

I donno maybe thats a contradiction but its how I honestly feel Animal.

I can certainly understand how you feel about what I said as well.

Thrawn · « **Reply #9 on:** July 20, 2001, 05:25:00 PM »

I find it strange that some people argue that, having the right to bear arms is nescessary. This is so they can, if need be, defend themselves from what they may see as a tyrantical government. Then when someone percieves a threat from a government and they 'defend' themselves, they're concidered terrorists. The hypocracy is rich. If a person raises arms and you don't agree, they're terrorists. If you happen to agree, they're patriots? Wierd.

Fatty · « **Reply #10 on:** July 20, 2001, 05:34:00 PM »

Supporting the right to keep arms, I fully expect to be shot if I brandish it towards a policeman.

What is amusing is anarchy demonstrators whining about some supposed lack of discipline in the police ranks, because one of them was killed attacking them.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #11 on:** July 20, 2001, 05:55:00 PM »

Yes

If you agree with them they are heroes.

If you disagree with them they are terrorists.

Whats the news?

Thrawn do you think your post is particularly insightful?

What exactly are they rising up against? These middle class/rich kids (everyone in Western Europe/USA is relativly rich in the global context) are mindlessly fighting against something or for something, I certainly cant say wahat but then again they dont seem quite sure either.

On one hand they claim to be for:
Environmental protecion.
Workers rights and safety.
Human rights.
Global action vs AIDS in Africa.
Opposition to genetically altered foods.
Anti-Globalization.

But they are also openly Socialst/Communist and Anarchist:

So far their beloved Socialist wonderlands have given us.

150+million innocent dead chinese.
30+millin innocent dead russians.
4+million innocent dead Cambodians.
Chernobyl.
The sheer wonder that is North Korea.
Unsurpassed Human rights abuses.
Unsurpassed polution.
Unsurpassed cruelty.
Unsurpassed govenmental opression.
Unsurpassed exploitaiton of workers.
Unsurpassed deportatinos of whole peoples.
Unsurpassed economic disasters.

Such sparkling and inspirational leaders as:

Comrade Stalin
Chairman Mao
Comrade Pol-Pot
Comrade Ho-Chi Mihn
Comrade Castro

Such marvelous ideas like:

Forced communal farms.
Forced smelting of useless iron.
Forced murder of all LITERATE people.
Forced abandonment of all cities.
Siberian Gulags.

These little neo-leftist communist amazinhunks simply baffle me, hopw in gods name have these idots forgotten what the world was like all of 10 years ago? How is possible that young Western Europeans and US kids could possibly be PROTESTING FOR COMMUNISM in 2001?

And yes thats what they are, NEO-LEFTIST COMMUNISTS.

DONT LET THE OTHER roadkill FOOL YOU THATS WHAT THERE PEOPLE ARE!

I just dont get how this happend.

Im really shocked and scared that this kind of nonsense is permeating into the wastern youth culture.

Its very very sad..

You can all see that im very emotional on this issue, If you dont agree i can fully understand that but few of you have experienced the change from one sytem to another. i just dont want to see it happend here.

Im honestly sorry if im overly angry and agressive in this thread, but I feel very strongly about this.

Gadfly · « **Reply #12 on:** July 20, 2001, 06:37:00 PM »

Im with Grun. Fark the stupid little twit.

If you want to do something, don't do it with a cowards mask and a cowards methods.

You have a problem, work within the system, or if that doesn't work organize to change it by other means.

Being "cool" and wasting Daddy's money so you can stir up toejam is not equal to the American revolution, my friends.

fd ski · « **Reply #13 on:** July 20, 2001, 08:38:00 PM »

The hypocricy here is so rampant is makes me sick.

You people argue here every day in and out about how you need be ARMED so that you can protect yourself from a BIG GOVERNMENT. When your BIG AND UGLY governmen gets with other BIG governments to create even BIGGER government - then you don't have a problem with it ?

If you feel that G8 and globalization is such a damn hit, let's see you turn over those machine guns, you oviously won't need them, will you ?

GRUNHERZ - your demagogic rambling would have made Gobells proud.

The europians are against the open trade because it will do the same thing to their agriculature as the japaneese cars did to your automotive industry. Go to Detroit and see for yourselves.

Global trade is an open gate for large companies to kill any competition, anywhere.

The billion dollars for AIDS is nothing more then transfer payment to the pockets of Pfizer or whatever corporration holds the patent for 10000$/per month drug for AIDS. I'm not impressed.

Ripsnort, that's a very bold statement coming from a country where good part of high school students can't functionally read and find US on the map. Europe's educational system has US's beat up and down. Easily brainwashed ? come out of your gun toting barricaded shack, turn off the TV and see the world, you might be suprized.

Take a long look in the mirror people before you start spewing roadkill like that. Army SHOT AND UNARMED MAN IN SELF DEFENCE ? And you are ready to dance on his grave ?

Shame folks....

Gadfly · « **Reply #14 on:** July 20, 2001, 09:00:00 PM »

The choice to patronize corporations is not like the choice of Government, FDski. If you have concerns about business, you do not lend them your patronage.

If you think that your Government is causing you harm, you petition the government, the public and then, failing results and with enough support, you raise your armies.

Rabble does not protest, it only destroys. The right to bear arms ensures that minor factions cannot unduly influence the population, not the other way around.