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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2001, 09:04:00 PM »
Competition with Japan only improved the garbage US cars of the 70s and 80s.

It actually saved the US car industry.

Anyway fd-ski you are who you are and belive what you belive.

But I gotta say your post reads very very nicely.

Just like the last issue of my college newspaper, which is run by a bunch of little communist leftist asses......

Fd-ski maybe a someone like you obviously are should go to Cuba or China so you all the best things in life.............

Yea, plus really nice parades on big holidays, like Mayday!!!


BTW that guy wasnt unarmed, look at the lighter next to him and the soot on his hands. Im sure he wasnt one of the guys with molotovs and bombs.........

Fd-ski yes entrepreneurs, capitalism, industrious-people, and business men are source of all the evil in the world....

Very sad fd-ski, lemme guess you are college professor? right?

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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2001, 10:52:00 PM »
College professor ? i should be so lucky.

Unlike you, i experianced communism first hand. I saw the tanks roll down the street, and i saw the police march and shoot at protesters. They didn't bother petitioning, ain't that too bad ?

As i said, turn off the "Pre made opinion" TV one of those days and release that there is more to life that US of A and how much there is in your checking account. Just because you are motivated by material gain, doesn't mean that everyone else has to live like that.

People are always afraid of things they can't understand. And from your "prepackaged for use against anything anti capitalist" so called "facts" it shows how little you know.

Was communist bad ? Sure it was. But are you really dumb enough to think that those people in Italy are asking for a communism ?

As i've pointed out before gents, you are being hypocritical. You want small government ( oh boy, we love Mr. Bush ) , a government that will stay out of your lifes, let things be as they run themselves, right ? Yet you're ok with globalization. What a joke.
frankly i can still remember your whines about employement of US troops under NATO command !!! Remember that ? Well under globalization you can start getting used to goverment in PARIS deciding what good for you. Think about it for a minute before you engage you "EVERYONE IS COMMUNIST BUT ME !!!" tyrade.

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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2001, 11:08:00 PM »
grunz i'm not going to argue the politic subject with you but as far as japanese competition (from factorys built by money from taxes on the very people who lost there jobs do to cheap japanese imports) improving US car quality you have got to be out of your fluff'n mind. japanese imports started showing up here in the late 60's-early 70's exactly the time quality and performance in US cars went to toejam. as just one example as to how fast it went to hell i would have traded the 73 mustang i drove in high school for my older brothers '67 mustang any day any time. in just 6 years the same make and model car went from a first class american muscle car to a first class p.o.s.
the competition led to nothing but cutting corners, low quality control, much more plastic and less steel in construction and little weak motors that can barely merge onto the freeway.
 the only improvement i saw in american cars in the 15-20 years after the flood of imports was gas milage, and i strongly suspect that this had more to do with the price of gas skyrocketing than it did to any competition

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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2001, 12:06:00 AM »
Same here fd-ski.

Im from the former Yugoslavia, and that was one of the nicer ones...

Im not one of these dumb flag waving Americans who hate "commies" because that what all "Red blooded Murricans" s'posed to do.

I think I need to make it more clear that I lived in one of our little socialist wonderlands, as my unusually strong anti-cummunist belifs have been mistaken for idiot USA flag-waving before on this BBS.


As for the kids protesting, Im not sure if they know what they want. However I have seen many of them in the protests wearing shirts with Hammer and Sickle, CCCP/USSR, Lenin, Marx, Castro and the ever deligthtul Che Guevara. They also spew the usual Communist Youth oriented proaganda, of evil busnessmen, worker exploitation etc etc etc.

Basically I hate these little western European salamanders who grew up wealthy with all sorts of nice things now protesting for communism. The very system that ruined eastern-european culture for thje past 60 years. I cant see how you could defend the fear, the corruption, the godddamn black marketering, the lazyness, the giving of favors, the privelage of party people, and all that crap tham im sure you saw in Poland too.

These kids want that crap for some reason, they are against free markets, they are against democracy. They say democracy a lot dont they, but both of know all our communist countries were democratic too yep, 5 offices to fill and 5 candidates running, how nice. These arrogant salamanders assume they speak for the "people" and anyone who doesnt see it their way is "ignorant burgeois opressor" Sound familliar?


I hate communism, I hate this new fangled neo-leftist socialism/communism even more, and im quite happy these bomb throwing aggitator salamanders just found out they can only push reasonable people so far.

I saw communism and I hate it, you saw it but you still seem to hold some sympathy to its lovely flowey propaganda...

As For USA cars.

The Japanese brought over in the 1960s small relatively indefferent cars and continued doing so till the 1980s.

The USA car industry, as you say started on the decline after the 1960s. 20 foot long coupes built like crap were the result. The oil embargo hurt them too as engine performance went to hell. But the 70s and 80s also saw the demise of US car quality.

You see arrogant (racist too) car exectuives didnt see the "Nips" as that big of a threat. They ignored the quality improvements of the japanese cars and in the 1980s that bit them in the ass.

Here were well built cars with good small engines that were more reliable and ran well. Plus the cars rode and handled better.


USA carmakers got lazy and stopped innovation, How else can you explain large V8 engiines barely putting out 160-180 HP?????

Basically the quality of 1980s Japanese cars
shocked the US companies from their lazyness. They had to improve or face incresing loss of market share as GM found out.

The result are much better US cars now than those of the 70s and 80s.

The lazy and conservative US car companies  would not have changed a damn thing in that period if it wasnt for large volume mass market cometion from well built and efficent Japanese cars!!!!!!!!!

Thats how the Japanese saved the US car business. As for the car workers who losttheir jobs, well tough. They have clearly been proven to be useleess to the USA car industry as levels of quality and production efficency are higher than ever. These people are now free to participate in other economic activities.  


Ask yourself this, are US cars better today than they were 15-20 years ago? Were they improving at a constant rate? Or did the viable and vigorous Japanese competion in the 1980s spur them into improvements.

Im risking a lot in this post, potentially ive both insulted the Communists and the Red-Blooded Meat eting Flag waving Americans;
I must be on the right track...

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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2001, 12:08:00 AM »
Oh yea fd-ski you still obviously think in communist terms.

Big business DOES NOT EQUAL Government.

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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2001, 12:35:00 PM »
I'm very happy with the results of both Asian and European competition in the automobile market, thanks.

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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2001, 03:45:00 PM »
Its too bad the kid died, but in their minds, he died for their cause.  What that cause is changes daily, it seems.  May God have mercy on his soul.

Please notice the organizers are no where near the frontlines of this "riot", safely tucked away in the back, continuing their crusade.

Its completely moronic how these guys destroy the community hosting this event and try to paint the G8 folks as the eveil ones.  Let's see, who's throwing the firebombs and rocks?

[Warning...rant commences...]

I dunno, I'm becoming more cynical in my old age (yea, at 31).  I wish Israel and Palestine would take off the gloves and go for it, manno-to-manno and see how Palestine glows in the dark after they figure out Israel has nukes.  No more of this suicide bomber versus military strikes bull.  You guys wanna fight?  Take off the stupid masks and lets do it.  An area the size of New England has been a pain in the bellybutton to the world for years, lets take off the gloves and do it, once and for all.

I'd also love to see the day when the protestants in Northern Ireland figure out why people get upset when you have "NEENER NEENER, WE KICKED YOUR bellybutton HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO AND YOU STILL SUCK" parades through and near catholic neighborhoods.  And of course, for such behavior and the following riots, they wantthe catholics disarmed....nevermind they continually incite these things.  Its just utterly incredible this blood feud thing has gone on so long.  Its England's last colony, it seems.  

And finally, I'd like to see a day where people do not beleive everything they are told, rather they weigh the issues and do not fall for the hype and emotion various sides try to spin it with.  Men on the moon, space station in orbit, and robots on Mars....and yet we still can't figure out how to get along with each other and respect others.  I am so tired of whiney roadkill and tantrums.  I think even Superman would be crying in his cape.

[..rant over, bah, too much thinking, time to climb back into the Lancaster]

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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2001, 04:43:00 PM »
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I'd also love to see the day when the protestants in Northern Ireland figure out why people get upset when you have "NEENER NEENER, WE KICKED YOUR bellybutton HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO AND YOU STILL SUCK" parades through and near catholic neighborhoods. And of course, for such behavior and the following riots, they wantthe catholics disarmed....nevermind they continually incite these things. Its just utterly incredible this blood feud thing has gone on so long. Its England's last colony, it seems.
It might help if you found out something about a subject before spouting about it. (yes, I know it's never stopped me)
Northern Ireland is a British colony like California is a US colony.

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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2001, 05:09:00 PM »
Really, LePaul. Do some research into Northern Ireland and you might find it's a bit more complicated than you seem to believe. That paragraph reveals the depth of your ignorance in this area.

1) A large population of Northern Ireland would rather die than give up its status as British Citizenry - and that is the problem. They call them 'Unionists', they are very, very proud of being British.

2) There are attempts to disarm both sets of terrorists, it just so happens that the IRA was most generously funded by deluded Americans and (ironically) the Libyans.

3) The marches are not just about annoying the other side - they are about freedom of movement, speech and action. Something which I know America values greatly.

Do I like how NI has turned out? No. Do I support the Orange Marchers? No. And neither do 95% of the British public.

And like Nashwan points out. NI is not a British colony and never has been. It enjoys all the privedges of Wales or Scotland, which enjoy all the privileges of Essex, Yorkshire or Cornwall. It is as integral to the Union as any of those parts.

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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2001, 06:41:00 PM »
Well at least everyone agrees the MidEaster's outta duke it out   :)

As for Northern Ireland, I'm just giving an armchair opinion, based on what I've read and see on the press...and the web.  I appreciate your insights but there is a fine line between freedom of speech and inciting a riot.  If you KNOW this is going to piss of a sect of the city, and KNOW its going to cause nothing but trouble, WHY oh WHY do it?  Its a vicious circle.  Im not in Boston dunking tea   :)

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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2001, 07:07:00 PM »
Why do they do it? Mostly they don't, there are many parades in NI but few cause trouble.
The most contentious of all, Drumcree, is a parade along a route that has been used for nearly 200 years. It used to be from the town centre to a country church, and back, along unpopulated country roads. In the 60s new housing estates were built, they became almost wholly catholic via ethnic cleansing, in the traditional manner for NI. (petrol bomb attacks)
The protestants carried on marching down the road every year, with little trouble. In the mid 90s, a man called Brendan Mckenna came along and organised the residents to stop the annual protestant march. Being a member of the IRA, and now a Sinn Fein councillor, people listened, and did as they were told.
The result is the protestants don't want to be stopped from marching down a road they have used for 200 years just because a terrorist tells them not to. If I were in the same position I'd probably feel the same way.

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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2001, 07:19:00 PM »
Nashwan and Dowding are English.......

Am I right?  :)

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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2001, 07:52:00 PM »
As one who has been trained in riot control operations and has been to more than one protest / near riot, I think I have a bit of a perspective on this. Any person, much less a mob, that has rocks, cobble stones, sticks / batons and molotov cocktails is NOT unarmed. All of those items are in fact weapons and can be used with deadly effect. I went on record at my department by telling my supervisors that I would shoot ANY person throwing a fire bomb at me or other officers. Anyone who thinks being set on fire is not deadly is simply being stupid. Police are not paid to die in spite of what you might think. That are paid to take a risk of death on the job but not to sacrifice themselves usselessly. A Police Officer's number one goal is to go home to his / her family alive every day.

The fact that this "protestor" died is lamentable but the blame lies with him for his presence at the riot and his actions while there. Actions taken for even the "best of intentions" but carried out in the worst of means can reach back and bite you.

There is a difference between protest and riot. They really aren't very close either. The difference is significant and obvious. Protest is making a statement. Riot is violent criminal activities carried out by a mob or by several instigators in a mob.

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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2001, 09:36:00 PM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
WTG Italian Police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Im so happy one of those retard Communist/Anarchist kids got killed.

I honestly hope many many many more of these idiots are shot to death in the following protests. They are asking for it, and deserve it.


Once again, WTG Italian Police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, that really made you look good grunherz... are you proud of your idiotic bloodthirsty statement?

As to the protestors... they're out of their flippin' minds. Doesn't mean they should get shot, though.

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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2001, 09:49:00 PM »
Miko and Gruneherz struggling against what they call communism...

Sad. Funny - but sad and dangerous.

Next time they will vote for bombing Yurop "to stone age".