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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2001, 10:55:00 PM »
Boroda you Russians can go to hell........ No more bullying around all us other Slavs, so go diddly off.......

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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2001, 11:04:00 PM »
ispar..

Proud? I donno.

Bloodthirsty? I guess.

Look good? No, prolly not.

Honest? Yes.

He get his confrontation with police? Yes.


I dont like what those holligans are doing, Im happy they found out they cant go on doing it with no response, however accidental and unfortunate.


Look at that picture!

Why does he have ski mask on?

Why does he have soot on his hands?

Why that lighter?

And remember these innocent ski masked adventures brought AND USED molotov cocktails AND bombs against the police, nearly killing a policeman, I belive he is in critical condition now.

Anyway I certainly dont expect you to share or even understand my contempt and hatred for such people, it is too personal and has too much history.

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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2001, 11:19:00 PM »
BTW the poice didnt just randomly shhot the guy.

How easy is that to forget by some of you guys!

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« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2001, 12:26:00 AM »
G8 Protest Activists Detained in Police Raid
 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010721/ts/group_leadall_dc_28.html

hehe

"The leaders from Britain, France, Italy, Germany, Japan, Russia, Canada and the United States will leave parts of the ancient port of Genoa in ruins from anti-globalization riots."
The reporter here seems alittle left leaning  :)
Don't recall any world leaders in the riots..

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« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2001, 05:23:00 AM »
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Nashwan and Dowding are English.......

Am I right?   :)
Wrong about me, thankfully. I live a bit futher west.  :)

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« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2001, 06:52:00 AM »
What I find highly amusing is just *what* they are protesting about.

Some protest about the environment.
Some about the evils of capitalism
Some hate global trade.
Some want debt relief.
Some want more transparent governments.
Some don't want any governments at all.
Some want communistic governments.
Some want "redistribution of wealth".

There is *no way in hell* anyone can satisfy everyone in this group of people.

To even have a dialogue, you'd have to break this large group of protesters up into smaller groups - about what they are prostesting for/against. Then the actual work can start.

Thousands of protestors have left, since they realize the violence is counter productive and they do not wish to be associated with it.

For those who take to the streets peacefully and not hiding their identity; kudos to you. I may not agree with your agenda, but you're going about it the right way if you feel other methods have been used up.

To the cowards that hide behind masks and battle the police: I hope you're arrested. I hope you feel the violence you yourself want on your own bodies. I don't hope you get killed or seriously hurt, but a little pain might wake you up.

There is a growing socialist thing amongst youngsters - and I cannot disagree more with these individuals I'm already taxed through my ass, and now they want even more. To me it is young people who're just wanting to be part of something bigger than themselves that just join groups for a sense of belonging, drive and goal, but who lack an indepth understanding of the situation as a whole.

They tore up Gothenburg. Used to live close by, and I saw the devastatation when I was in Sweden a few weeks ago. They're gonna try to tear up Copenhagen if they get a chance to.

If they get hurt or die fighting the police, they should not whine. It *is* dangerous to fight the police.

Nor do they have the backing of the people. Quite the opposite.

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« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2001, 04:11:00 AM »
Those so called pacifists were destroying a Carabinieri's jeep with three young guys inside. The interior of the jeep was covered with blood and the shooter has now 16 stiches on his head.

The shot guy was throwing a fire estinguisher into the jeep and probably there was someone ready to throw a molotov inside it. Now, show me a hero who is ready to die without defending himself and his buddies.

All this thing is very sad   :(
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« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2001, 06:08:00 AM »
What Gatt says, plus:

  • What & who are these guys standing for? -> See StSanta
  • They are free people taking a risky position. They must face the risks as well. And, IMHO, actual situation is waaay off on the permisive side. In the balance between personal freedom/collective respect the first aspect is currently overmoweighted. I think is a matter of education in the first place and, in a second place, of punishment.
  • I love freedom as much as anybody here. But the first freedom I like is to be able to walk and speak freely without some wild uneducated (or a civilized, educated one) guy flagging his civil rights riots on my city laying fire and violence on it. I would like the police be as tough as it can be. If somebody is hurt in the process, so be it. And better if it's not the police.
  • I am fed up with so-called progresist people. Liberty starts with a general sense of safety. First in your home/private life, second in the streets you usually walk. Failing to get that, you hardly go any further. I could care less about freedom delicatessen, If I'm not safe at my own very home, or If I can not walk safely in my town. Current situation is not on the safety side.

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« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2001, 06:40:00 AM »
"and probably there was someone ready to throw a molotov inside it"

Probably?? that dont cut it imho... If he indeed was trying to kill the ones inside of the car then i guess he desereved what he got but i suspect an shot to the legs would have been enough...

Well time will tell the police officer is under investigation as we type here...

Oh dont forget that an very big majority of the protestors, protests in peace.

And you Grunhertz i wont even comment on your posts.
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« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2001, 08:32:00 AM »
200,000 people goes in Genua to protest in peace and non violence against Globalization, for different reasons.

About 1,000 criminals decided to cross the line between protest and riot (and I bet they were there with this in theyr mind  :mad: )

17,000 policemen lost control of situation, and start beating everyone , good and bad, killing a guy, and that was "excess of self defence", i think.

Results:

1 dead, lot of policeman wounded, more protestors (sp?) wounded too, lot of them arrested and the media dancing on the grave.

Just for 1.000 amazinhunks.

this is the summary of the "G8 riots"

Digging more...

In that police jeep was a group of young conscripted "Carabinieri" (military police with dutys of civil police), used to push theyr ego and play with theyr guns (remember here a gun is a rare thing), scared to death.
They were non professional policemen, for the first time in an emergency situation.

Before the riots the Black Idiots were leaved by the police alone and uncontested going around the city, destroing everything for 2 hours, and the police reaction started only when this 1.000 amazinhunks reached the mass the pacifists (someone here see a plan in this).

My guesses?
The entire situation was handled in a bad way, the chiefs of the police have made wrong plans.
And the SOB that caused all this (the Black Block) are untouched, no one of them has been arrested, or even beated, they hide in the big crowd and disappear, while the crowd was beaten.
If you are ever been in a manifestation here in Italy, you'll know, when police charge, become uncontrolled, even if you lay on ground with hands on your head, clearly surrendering, they beat you hard while on ground, no way to escape.

Someone suggested in previous posts to use civil way to protest, petition, information voting different governors, this made me laugh...

here in Italy??

All media in the hands of the economic elite (the same that is in the government), with the exception of a couple of newspaper in the hands of the old communist party (LOL), a big number of politic partys all with the same aim (gain power and stole money), if you try a protest the police come quietly in your house and arrest you for wathever reason.

Be real, the only way to be visible here, is to go in the roads and protest.

But violence?
Riots?
This is a bad way, because you become terrorist and your point will be wrong by default.

The genua facts are the demonstration that more and more stupidity is expanding, both side.

p.s.
As for the lighter, there is a photo taken before that one (less blood on ground) where there is'nt the lighter, BTW this is a rule for our police.  ;)

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« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2001, 09:07:00 AM »
Grun simply went overboard and got fired up in his anti communsit post, dont read to much into it or at least read the rest of his posts.

 Communism is DOA...in truth it never was or will be. The USSR wasnt true communsist, more like some sort of totalarian setup I think. Communsism will never work.

 The kid who got wacked was responiable for his actions... you cant blame police for defending themselves against individuals w/firebombs and in bodyarmor.

 A WORLD GOVERNMENT is the next step I'm sorry to say in some ways. It will happen. We will eventualy become so economicaly tied togather it will be the next logical step. Hopefully it will be an enlightened government based perhaps on many of the principles one sees in democratic governments today.

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« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2001, 09:16:00 AM »
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"and probably there was someone ready to throw a molotov inside it"
Probably?? that dont cut it imho... If he indeed was trying to kill the ones inside of the car then i guess he desereved what he got but i suspect an shot to the legs would have been enough...

Probably ... yes, probably. Becouse they destroyed in the same way tens of cars and military vehicles during a 2 days war. Two or three of them open a hole in the glass of a car and another one throws a molotov (or anything on fire) inside. Theres a nice film where three Carabinieri escaped their vehicle just seconds before it is set completely on fire.

Its not so difficult to understand what he was thinking: "3-4 guys *are* destroying the jeep with big hammers, estinguishers and iron bars. They are going to kill me in seconds."

Yes, he could have fired at his leg(s), but I think it is not easy to keep your head cool in those moments. Sad, very sad.
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« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2001, 10:20:00 AM »
Heard the following G8's will be far more remote areas to head off such violence. Some people just aren't happy unless they are tearing something up for whatever cause..
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« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2001, 10:43:00 AM »
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just 2 things;

1.-antiglobalization people suck, and are a bunch of hypocrits. A good time in the jail wont go bad for most of them.

2.-Half the people in this trhead are idiots full of toejam, who are worse than the so-called "pacifists". No need to name who I'm referring to, as it is pretty evident.

Some guys should carry this in his sig:

"Shoot him dead! he's a commie!"

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« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2001, 11:20:00 AM »
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1.-antiglobalization people suck, and are a bunch of hypocrits. A good time in the jail wont go bad for most of them.

Has Franco returned? Throwing people in jail for legitimately expressing dissent is one thing I would fight against.

Now, some take it too far and start being violent; some to make a point, others just to have a fight. Neither should be tolerated.

Globalisation has the potential to do great harm and run counter to both the free market and democracy. I support the anti-globalisation movement, but despise those in it that use it as a vehicle for trouble.

But then that isn't a new trick.

I also agree with Tony Blair - he was saying how world democratic leaders should be able to meet without this kind of violence all over the streets.
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