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Offline RTR

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« Reply #105 on: December 30, 2005, 06:59:59 PM »
hehe Gunslinger.

That was pretty good evidence, I must say!

I could believe in that!

How do I subscribe to the Church of Gunslinger, and do I have to believe in that David Blaine guy too, or is the chick enough?

LOL, Ive been pointing my finger at her pic and yellin "Booya"! but it ain't working. Where's Chuck Norris when ya need him?

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« Reply #106 on: December 30, 2005, 07:07:07 PM »
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How's this for basis....No one has ever created life without life. The reason, because it takes life to create life. You think that might be basic enough.


I'm glad the Wright Bros didn't use that same logic.
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« Reply #107 on: December 30, 2005, 07:16:49 PM »
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I'm glad the Wright Bros didn't use that same logic.


Your thinking of Doctor Frankenstien, he created life. Of course that was fiction. The Wright brothers knew better they where just working on a flying machine...big difference.
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« Reply #108 on: December 30, 2005, 07:21:45 PM »
"Nobody has ever flown a powered, controlled, heavier than air flying machine before.... therefore it can't be done." Wilbur Wright.

Glad he didn't believe that crap.

Anyway Weaslesan, what are you worried about Frankenstein for anyway?

Unless you don't believe your own assertion that it is impossible.
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« Reply #109 on: December 30, 2005, 07:24:22 PM »
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We need it to remind us where are inaliable rights come from.

Why?  The national motto and the Pledge did not include it before...why do we need to be reminded now?
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Having our rights as free people coming from God in no way impedes your right to not believe in anything.

Nor is your right to believe impeded by a lack of a government sponsored reminder...so I'm not sure why that is relevent.
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Why does it bother you if it stays? Incidently can you think of anytime in your life religion has denied your rights to do or say anything you believe?

Hrmmm...trying to answer a question with a question?  :huh
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« Reply #110 on: December 30, 2005, 07:35:13 PM »
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I'm not sure I understand the problem.  The Supreme Court has always acted in the way that is does now.  It interprets the Constitution.  Not just over the past 50 years...but for the past 200 years.

It has always been the case that sometimes laws are passed that are unconstitutional.  They stay on the books, and sometimes enforced, until a case is submitted and the SCOTUS agrees to render a decision with its opinion.  Unconstitutional laws exist so long as no one has enough of an interest to file a judicial complaint...or if the SCOTUS refuses to hear the case.

The SCOTUS may refuse to hear a complaint for several reasons...but usually because they are too intimidated by the politics of the issue, or if they believe that a remedy may be possible.  In the case of gay marriage, it was probably a combination that it is a political hot potato and because there was talk of a constitutional change that would leave no doubt about the definition of marriage.


 The Interpretation part is over the last 50 years or so. The Supreme court should apply the Constitution to the laws as they are written. This would allow the legislators to fine tune them to conform to the Constitution where required. Notice how you matter of factly use (Hot Potato) and talk of ammending the constitution as an excuse for the Supreme Court not hearing the case. Very simple have a gay couple move to a bright red state and take it to a superior court. They would have no choice but to uphold the marriage as legal. I have a feeling that the supreme court would then, unless they where activist in the wrong direction (Right) uphold it as well. Then you are probably correct, there would be a constitutional amendment directly making gay marriage illegal in all states. So what we have here is fear of democracy.
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« Reply #111 on: December 30, 2005, 07:44:52 PM »
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"Nobody has ever flown a powered, controlled, heavier than air flying machine before.... therefore it can't be done." Wilbur Wright.

Glad he didn't believe that crap.

Anyway Weaslesan, what are you worried about Frankenstein for anyway?

Unless you don't believe your own assertion that it is impossible.


You equate creating life with building airplanes...assert that creating life is impossible....no I know it's impossible.
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« Reply #112 on: December 30, 2005, 07:50:20 PM »
I equate a technical challenge with a technical challenge.
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« Reply #113 on: December 30, 2005, 07:50:42 PM »
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Why?  The national motto and the Pledge did not include it before...why do we need to be reminded now?
 
Nor is your right to believe impeded by a lack of a government sponsored reminder...so I'm not sure why that is relevent.

Hrmmm...trying to answer a question with a question?  :huh


So where in agreement there is no reason to change the national motto.
Of course there's a snowballs chance in hell they ever will.
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« Reply #114 on: December 30, 2005, 07:52:56 PM »
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I equate a technical challenge with a technical challenge.


Creating life is impossible not a technical challenge...Creating good tasting American beer is a technical challenge.
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« Reply #115 on: December 30, 2005, 08:05:09 PM »
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hehe Gunslinger.

That was pretty good evidence, I must say!

I could believe in that!

How do I subscribe to the Church of Gunslinger, and do I have to believe in that David Blaine guy too, or is the chick enough?

LOL, Ive been pointing my finger at her pic and yellin "Booya"! but it ain't working. Where's Chuck Norris when ya need him?

RTR


There can be only one chuck norris.  Did you know his tears cure cancer?  Too bad he NEVER crys.  And yes you have to beleive in David Blane or off to the camps you go.  Jessica Alba will be there at the camps I promise, hint hint wink wink.
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« Reply #116 on: December 30, 2005, 08:08:29 PM »
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Notice how you matter of factly use (Hot Potato) and talk of ammending the constitution as an excuse for the Supreme Court not hearing the case...So what we have here is fear of democracy.

I'm still not sure I see the problem.  This is the way the SCOTUS has always worked.  The docket is always tight, so there will always be some cases not heard.  The Court has to make a decision somehow to determine what gets heard in a given year...all the cases submitted are important or they would not have made it all the way to the Supreme Court.  I suppose the Court could randomly choose the cases they hear...perhaps that would be more fair.
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« Reply #117 on: December 30, 2005, 08:11:04 PM »
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So where in agreement there is no reason to change the national motto.
Of course there's a snowballs chance in hell they ever will.

You are evading the question:
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We need it to remind us where are inaliable rights come from.

Why?  The national motto and the Pledge did not include it before...why do we need to be reminded now?
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« Reply #118 on: December 30, 2005, 08:45:07 PM »
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and I don't think anyone in this thread is disagreeing with you.  I beleive somone mentioned those to be "blue laws" such as beating your wife on the courthouse steps at noon on sunday, and getting hung for stealing a horse.  

You are smart.....a camp worker perhaps who will avoid the athiest clensing ;)


It's not disagreeing with me, disagreeing with Chairboy or common sense I presume would probably be where the disagreement would be.

Although I still wish people would get hung for stealing horses, or the present day horses - cars.

I'm not an atheist though.
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« Reply #119 on: December 30, 2005, 08:59:08 PM »
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Lazs' term is correct.  Athiesm is a faith that there is no God.  Lack of evidence does not logically prove non-existance.  An illogical leap of faith is required to conclude the question one way or another.


Thats a definition made by someone who believes in a "god".

For example, if I were raised on a desert island, with no teaching of religion, and thus an athiest - how would you describe that? Agnostic maybe? OK... so a christian missionery shows up, tries to sell me the whole god thing, and I walk away laughing you're nuts and don't believe him. Is that faith?

Or how about this, how about I walked into a Church and said your god is actually a creation of my god: Bruce, you should all worship Bruce. If they don't believe me is that an illogical leap of faith?
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