Author Topic: Attack without ords (Read 1968 times)

cav58d · « **on:** December 30, 2005, 02:17:29 PM »

Currently we are not able to up an A-20 when ords is down...On the other hand the IL2 can still be upped when ords is down...The A-20 may not have a cannon like the IL2 but those forward firing .50's in my opinion make the A-20 a very capable attack airplane...Hitech-Is this a bug?

cav

tatertot · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2005, 02:25:22 PM »

great notice cav !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

bozon · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2005, 02:45:28 PM »

ord down - shuts down all "bomber" labeled planes. Or to be more exact all planes that have no "no ord" option (but these are all "bombers").
IL2 is labled under the attack category and may be rolled in a clean configuration, A20 is labeled bomber and must load bombs.
Mosquito is also labeled as "attack" even though one may consider it a bomber as well.

Bozon

Airscrew · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2005, 03:03:01 PM »

thanks Cav, I knew there was something funny about that a couple of nights ago but I didnt make the connection.

went to a base and all the FH's were down so I usually grab a A20G, but ord was disabled, so no A20G for me either.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #4 on:** December 30, 2005, 03:15:24 PM »

I believe the D3A can also be selected with no ordnance. Strikes me as odd that the B26, with fixed forward firing guns, has no attack mode, and can't be taken up "clean", but that the sad little D3A, with it's not-quite-awe-inspiring loadout, can be taken up in attack mode.

I wonder if HTC is willing to make some changes regarding these planes- I don't think it would hurt gameplay, and allows players a few more options for base defense, or attack runs.

cav58d · « **Reply #5 on:** December 30, 2005, 03:34:56 PM »

HTC any thoughts?

thanks

cav

FTDEEP · « **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2005, 04:17:45 PM »

When ord. is down are SBs' disabled?

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2005, 04:19:52 PM »

A-20s are handy when a feild has been capped and is being vulched and those enemy pilots who run out of fuel vulching land on the feild. Up a A-20 and get the little tard then land. Rinse and Repeat.

Ghosth · « **Reply #8 on:** December 31, 2005, 05:49:17 AM »

Treat the A20 like a hvy fighter, ie P47, F4u.

Once its light on gas & ord it becomes deadly.
Nose mounted MG's are awesome, just spray & pray.

Yes it needs to be able to roll when ord's are disabled like the Val.

WHICH btw is a very fun plane. Val just takes very very good SA to stay alive in.
If you can sucker fast planes into a canyon fight you can have some real fun. Ping the sucker, then hang out next to a hill or mountain. When he comes slashing in sucker him down into the dirt.

That moment of shock & awe when he realises he's been had by a Val is quite priceless.

cav58d · « **Reply #9 on:** December 31, 2005, 12:38:11 PM »

I think HTC may have disabled it without ords because of that exact reason...I can be used as a deadly fighter....BUT I think the 6 or 8 (whatever #) forward firing MG's is a valid arguement to consider it a guns only attack platform...GV wise without ords the A-20's guns could turret FLAK's, kill m-16's, m3's and m8s to name a few...so HTC what do you think about this subject?

Grits · « **Reply #10 on:** December 31, 2005, 02:07:08 PM »

The A-20 has never been available when Ords are down, nor any other plane that can not be taken off with no ords. Its not Bomber or Attack scoring related, its purely Ords. An IL-2, for instance, can be upped in either Bomber or Attack mode when Ords are down because you can deselect all ords, while the A-20 can also be Bomber or Attack mode, but it can not up if Ords are down because at the minimum you must take SOME (2x 500lbs I think) Ords. This is not new, it has always been so.

I would also like to see the A-20 available with a zero Ords option.

Morpheus · « **Reply #11 on:** December 31, 2005, 02:31:04 PM »

What he is saying Grits, is that an A20 is every bit of an attack A/C as is an IL2 and a whole lot more. Because of that it should be available without bombs, and with ord being down.

And I agree 100%.

Slash27 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 31, 2005, 02:53:34 PM »

Got my vote.

cav58d · « **Reply #13 on:** December 31, 2005, 03:15:22 PM »

So Hitech id really like to hear your opinion...Are you worried that the A-20 will be exploited as a fighter??(although the IL2 is exploited at bases with FH's down, or when a vulch is on as a fighter) or do you think there is a possibility to have the A-20 available without ords and used in the .50 cal forward firing attack mode?

thanks

cav

ps HAPPY NEW YEARS EVERYONE and BE SAFE!!!!

hubsonfire · « **Reply #14 on:** December 31, 2005, 03:20:51 PM »

I think Grits was just referring to Cav's remark that "HTC may have disabled it." FWIW, I don't think it was ever available without ord, either. For whatever reason, if one light bomber/attacker (presumably the breakpoint is those with level bombing sights, and those without?) can be taken up with no ordnance, why not the rest? Why the val, with no ord, and puny guns (not fit for any sort of ground attack except deacking), but not the SBD or Ju-87? Why the Il-2, but not the A-20?

Regardless, I support this idea, if I haven't mentioned that.