Author Topic: Atheists discriminated against (Read 2762 times)

Flatbar · « **Reply #165 on:** January 02, 2006, 12:50:47 PM »

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Originally posted by weaselsan
Thats it Flatbar,"Feel the hatred" Think to yourself Hate Christians, Hate Christians, Then go get a new nose ring, And punk album.

I may laugh at them but I'll never hate them for their choice. My early Christian upbringing taught me the tolerance to accept other's religious faith or lack there of.

Nose ring? Punk Rock album? Naw, 50's DooWop and and a DA with a flattop and sideboards are more my speed given my age.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #166 on:** January 02, 2006, 06:04:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Spitter
No, that is also wrong, the constitution reads:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; "

No law respecting an establishment of religion. That is not the same thing as an establishment of religion. The framers of the constitution were very careful and selective with their wording. It is a subtle, but very profound, difference.

Cheers,
Spitter

Ahh... "an establishment of religion" is different from "...an establishment of religion."

Those italics make all the difference......

Skilless · « **Reply #167 on:** January 02, 2006, 06:33:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Spitter
Yeah, I know this old saw gets brought up anytime an atheist actually has the temerity to challenge religious discrimination and bogotry. Actually, atheism is only a religion in the sense that is is as constitutionally protected as any religious belief (I'd have to look up the court cite if you want it.). In other words, non-belief is protected, which means that according to our laws, the first amendment does indeed offer freedom from religion as well as freedom of religion.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; "

Cheers,
Spitter

I would consider the choice to not believe in a higher power just as much of a leap of faith as the choice to believe in a higher power, therefore making it very much a religion.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; "

Translation- "Congress will not endorse any one religion. There will be no official religion of the United States." Nowhere in the Constitution is there verbiage of a ban on all government acknowledgment of the possibility of a higher power, and doing so makes atheism the official religion of the United States.

lazs2 · « **Reply #168 on:** January 03, 2006, 08:36:18 AM »

Yep spitter.... I haven't read one thing you have written that can't be torn to shreds... You need to actually think things through rather than just regurgitate em.

Your defenitiuon of athiesm and of the first amendment is really strange... but... even you admit that under any defenition that it requires a leap of faith to say that you know the unknowable.

Just glancing at your wall of text shows that you wear your athiesm as a statement... you are using it as a weapon against those you percieve to be the opiated masses and the cause of all suffering in the world.

Inalienable rights are ours from birth. Everyone knows that. even the evil people who would take them away. Taking them away does not negate that we were born with em.... Stalin or Jefferson didn't give em to us nor do they have the power to... they are long dead and people continue to be born with inalienable rights.

there is much spouting of the danger of religion here but the commies stamped it out and replaced it with government... they created the most evil of all powerful empires. Their paradise of rights not given by god but by man... That is what spitter and company are advocating...

lazs

midnight Target · « **Reply #169 on:** January 03, 2006, 08:52:30 AM »

Funny how some folks are hard pressed to acept ANY government control over their guns, but are more than willing to trust them with their religion, or freedom of the press or speech.

lazs2 · « **Reply #170 on:** January 03, 2006, 09:02:15 AM »

MT... how do you figure? I don't want governement to have any control over religion other than when it steps on others rights. I do not want the government to establish a religion nor to forbid one.

I don't want free speech infringed. funny how those who profess to love free speech are quick to ban words under "hate speech"

Burning flags isn't speech... it's just setting something on fire.... profanity is just profanity... If the majority want's it limited to adults then fine. What you want tho is that some words not be able to be spoken even by adults or written about.... unless you are a certain color of course. Talking dirty to children or in their earshot should not be protected under free speech but.... you should be able to do so with a paying or... warned...adult audience.

lazs