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Offline Kurfürst

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« on: January 03, 2006, 06:50:22 AM »
From " History of aircraft manufacture in USSR", p256, noting turn radius of various fighters :

All At 1000m altitude

Spitfire IXLF - 235m
Yak 1 - 275m
Yak 9? - 290m
La-5 : 310m
La-5FN : 295m
Me109G-2 : 290m
FW190A : 340m
P-39 : 253-280m

Turn times :

Allison P-51 : 23 sec
P-47D-10 : 26 sec
P-39D-2 : 17.7-18.7 sec
P-39Q-15 : 20-21
P-63A-10 : 21 sec
Spit VB : 18.8
Spit IXLF : 18.5sec
Hurri IIA : 19-20
P-40C : 18 sec
P-40E : 19.2
109F-4 : 19.6-20.5
109G-2 : 20-21.5 (clean)
109G-2 : 22.6 (with gondolas)
Yak9 : 17-18
La5 : 19
Yak 1 : 17-19
Lagg3 : 18-19
Yak3 : 17 sec
FW 190A-8 : 21-22 (lightened w/o external cannons, at 3986kg)
Fw190A-4 : 22-23sec
FW 190A-5 : 22-23
FW 190D-9 : 22-23 (at 1780 HP)
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2006, 08:19:10 AM »
Looks good to me.

Do they list weights? Do they have the turn radius for the American A/C?
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2006, 08:54:47 AM »
Yes they list weights, but since these were usually at the normal t-o weight, I wanted to spare some time. The only one with the varying weight is the FW 190 series, but I noted that. Also, some (typicall LW becuase of their many boosts) aircraft vary with engine power.

Re turn radius, I find that on the page that deals with the Spitfire (pretty general, but there as some info as well). The book is some 450+ pages, cyrillic Russian text, dozens of tables and graphs of all sorts of things... I have to OCR and translate it. Checking through it, I did not find much more, they note though the 'climb in battle turn' for most planes.

No F4U specs at all, sorry. Just the ones the Russians came accross, Mustangs, P-39, P-63, P-47, Spit, Hurri, Mosquito.
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2006, 12:47:21 PM »
Yeah,

I didn't think they would have any F4U information, but the P-47, P-63 and Allison Mustang are interesting. I know the Germans captured an F4U but I have never seen any test data from them. Wouldn't that be a fun read.

I have a turn rate/radius calculator that does acceleration, calculates drag etc. I have been playing with the 190A5 based on the data from the Navy test and it is amazingly accurate when compared to the VVS test.

If I put in 2.5G's the turn time is right at 23 seconds with a radius of about 950ft or roughly 300meters. It also builds an EM diagram for the A/C with a thrust to weight graph. It was done by Zigrat formally from these boards. You can vary the G load to find the best rate and radius or you can leave it at 1G to check climb and acceleration.

I swear you could sell it. It is in Excel if you want a copy.
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2006, 01:06:32 PM »
Hi,

I think I already got that spreadsheet a long ago from your(?) site. Pretty good, though I did not manage to find out the turn time calculator back then. I guess I will try out again.

The thing I wonder about is the turn performance of VVS planes... their turn radius is quite big, otoh the turn times are amongst the lowest... why? They are underpowered?

The other thing I noticed is the effect of gondolas on the 109G. Sure they hurt turn rate, but given the spec of these things, you'd expect something like 30+secs...

OH, I forgot, when you see something like "17-19 secs" it means the turn in one direction is better.
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2006, 03:53:04 PM »
Buh bye Kurfie.
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2006, 05:31:29 PM »
ah...    Skuzzy took out the trash.:aok
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2006, 05:48:59 PM »
Who put the "persona non grata" beneath Kuffie's name?
Pyro?
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2006, 05:49:36 PM »
LOL we just lost a guy who could provide us a ton of information about 109s

are there any people still alive in this BBS who can provide us more info about 109s like Kurfie (minus his attitide)?

if i remember this correctly kurfie pointed that 109 flaps was manually controlled by a wheel and its flaps can be used beyond 700km/h @ 10 degrees down.  he also pointed out that late 109s (such as 109K) were aerodynamically cleaner than late spitfires (BUT the controls are STIFF as usual like the 109Gs)
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2006, 06:15:07 PM »
He is still around I belive.
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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2006, 06:18:08 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Angus
He is still around I belive.


Maybe he's :rofl  at us this time:(
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2006, 07:00:05 PM »
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Originally posted by 1K3
LOL we just lost a guy who could provide us a ton of information about 109s

 



and?
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2006, 07:11:52 PM »
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LOL we just lost a guy who could provide us a ton of information about 109s


Not to worry. He has 3 other accounts that he uses to post here, and I'm sure he'll be in shortly to drown us in his vast sea of knowledge.
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2006, 07:33:37 PM »
Actually there are some here that have about the same info as he does, on the 109 I mean.

And as for history, and not just technical stuff, the forum prompts many a fine researcher, both on allied and axis terms.

As for technical stuff, the forum has some members with excellent knowledge and experience.

Wouldn't be much of a loss, now would it?
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2006, 07:47:49 PM »
Widewing
Bodhi
Karnak
Kweassa
Dan/Corky
Pyro

Just to name a few.

We dont need him. And are better off without him.
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