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[Wotan]

Kieren the most stukas lost in a month during bob was 59(? cant remember but close) from all causess out of 360 or so. While high it certainly wasn't the "death trap" the allies claim it was. It was withdrawn from bob because the lw had switched tactics from radar and airfields to mass formation bomb raid using twin engine bombers (ju 88 he 111 etc...)

The allies (i know all sides overclaimed) overclaimed there kills by a wide margine and did so with the stuka. When it was withdrawn it was assumed based on kill claims and the known numbers of available stukas that they were withdrawn because they were killed off.

It however did not have the capability to enter a furball aginst 5 spits and win as I have done in wwiiol in a stuka.

I'll do a search on a thread I had posted previously on this board with "exact" numbers of stukas available and losses during bob and punt it.

[Kieran]

I'll never argue the numbers with you, I believe you are right. I will argue til the cows come home about the survivability of the Stuka in an environment where the Germans did not possess air superiority.

Even that is moot, though. In the above scenario I lifted off the deck and overcame a huge energy deficit (no such thing in that game) to kill that Spit, and he saw me the whole time. Granted, he was a fool to hang in the fight when it was obvious he was losing angles, but he did use the vertical quite a bit. He must have been thinking "how is that Stuka staying with me?!", 'cause I sure was thinking it.

[Staga]

Kieran why don't you calculate Spit's and Stuka's power to weight and kg to square meter ratios.
Have you ever wondered why Il-2 can turn with fighters in low speed in AH?

[Gadfly]

Talk to Toad in a Val, Stiggie in a Stuka.  Hell, I've kilt p40s and spits in both, and I suck in Warbirds.  If they are stupid, and get down with you, or you are lucky in the rear, they die.

This is in no way an endorsement of the WW2OL FM, just a refutation that the Stuka in particular, and slow planes in general, are EZ meat.

[Kieran]

Oh, I know the Stuka compares favorably that way- the weight and wing area are close. Where I find disagreement is in the drag of both aircraft and possibly the roll rate of the WWIIO Stuka. You tell me, am I wrong there? Admittedly I am not an engineer, so your input is valuable.

Look, I am not trying to beat this to death. When I brought this out on the WWIIO BBS it was to illustrate how one could grab what must be considered the worst "fighter" in the game and fair evenly with what might be considered one of the best fighters of the game. I shut up about it eventually because it appeared everyone there thought the flight model was perfect, or dang near it. "Version 1.x will fix that, don't worry!" hehe.

Shoot, I know if you mess around with an uber-Val you can get your butt handed to you.