Tour 71 Fighter Stats

[Furball]

The Spitfire XVI just accounts for a larger proportion of the Spitfire's kills each tour, because the job it was designed to do suits perfectly with AH gameplay.

Up the boost if you want to perk it.

[Gianlupo]

Leviathn, Slapshot, isn't the Seafire now the most similar plane to the old Spit V? Maybe just with less boost...

[Zazen13]

One myth we need to dispell is that more SpitXVI's = Less La7s. This is not true as is evidenced from the stats prior to the SpitXVI being introduced:

Tour 67 fighter stats

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 Rank   Type            Kills  Deaths   K-%     K/D
   1    La-7            30971   26765  9.33    1.16

as compared to the most recent camp with SpitXVI's:

Tour 71 Fighter Stats

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  Rank      Type      Kills   Deaths   K-%     K/D
   1    Spitfire XVI    43991   38519 10.85    1.14
   2    La-7            36721   30634  9.06    1.20

So, just as many people are flying the Lgay7 as ever. Few if any Lgay7 drivers migrated to the SPitXVI. THe SpitXVI's usage comes almost entirely from those that used to fly the other Spits as well as those who flew other, lesser used rides (most notably 109s), that are even more rare now...

Zazen

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Zazen13
One myth we need to dispell is that more SpitXVI's = Less La7s. This is not true as is evidenced from the stats prior to the SpitXVI being introduced:

Tour 67 fighter stats

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 Rank   Type            Kills  Deaths   K-%     K/D
   1    La-7            30971   26765  9.33    1.16

as compared to the most recent camp with SpitXVI's:

Tour 71 Fighter Stats

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  Rank      Type      Kills   Deaths   K-%     K/D
   1    Spitfire XVI    43991   38519 10.85    1.14
   2    La-7            36721   30634  9.06    1.20

So, more people are flying the Lgay7 than ever. Few if any Lgay7 drivers migrated to the SPitXVI. THe SpitXVI's usage comes almost entirely from those that used to fly the other Spits as well as those who flew other, lesser used rides (most notably 109s), that are even more rare now...

Zazen

Which you could argue is just fine too as one of the things folks were looking for was an RAF ride that wasn't perked that you could go after the LA7s with.

So the LA7 is still the problem!    

Nah, just kidding.  I could care less what the other guy flies.  I can die to an LA7 just as well as a Hurri IIC.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Zazen13
One myth we need to dispell is that more SpitXVI's = Less La7s. This is not true as is evidenced from the stats prior to the SpitXVI being introduced:

Tour 67 fighter stats

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 Rank   Type            Kills  Deaths   K-%     K/D
   1    La-7            30971   26765  9.33    1.16

as compared to the most recent camp with SpitXVI's:

Tour 71 Fighter Stats

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  Rank      Type      Kills   Deaths   K-%     K/D
   1    Spitfire XVI    43991   38519 10.85    1.14
   2    La-7            36721   30634  9.06    1.20

So, just as many people are flying the Lgay7 as ever. Few if any Lgay7 drivers migrated to the SPitXVI. THe SpitXVI's usage comes almost entirely from those that used to fly the other Spits as well as those who flew other, lesser used rides (most notably 109s), that are even more rare now...

Zazen

I said exactly the same thing here (diff thread), and on CH200 since people were claiming Lala drivers went to the XVI.
Obviously they didn't bother checking stats for previous tours like we did.

[Krusty]

1) Zazen's got a point there... Spit16s make up about 25% of all fighters I see (friendly and enemy), and despite the low K:D they are still hard to take down if you don't have friendlies near by to distract/attack them.

2) Ta152 K:D means nothing. It's a perk plane, and all people fly perk planes timidly for fear of losing them. Note the tempest has the highest K:D of all perk planes -- this is because hardly any of the temp pilots fight, they just zoom past on the deck at 470mph fire a 1/250th second burst and get an instant kill and keep going. Doesn't mean the plane is better, just that folks are not going to risk losing 50-70 perks (whatever the temp is currently at).

Originally posted by TimRas

  Rank      Type      Kills   Deaths   K-%     K/D
   9    F4U-1C          12379    5346  3.05    2.32
   22   Tempest          5984    1193  1.48    5.02
   25   Me 262           4795     998  1.18    4.80
   34   Me 163B          2389     606  0.59    3.94
   39   F4U-4            1817    1007  0.45    1.80
   44   Ta 152H          1255     765  0.31    1.64
   48   Spitfire XIV      960     889  0.24    1.08

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3) The spitV is still a sweet ride. I need to fly it more, but I've been spending more time on the 51B and yak9T so I haven't had time for the spitV. SpitV is no more "castrated" than it was in AH1, when the spitV accounted for -- what? -- 25% of all kills for a long period of time. Only in AH2 did it get a UFO engine mounted in the nose. Naturally with the way physics changed in AH2 (from Ah1) speed is more important now than it was before, so folks are gravitating to the slightly faster spitfires. That does not mean the spitV is less of a killer, just that people are getting sick of running lalas or doras or ponies or (hell it's a spitV) every other plane in the game ( :lol )

[Furball]

Originally posted by Krusty
SpitV is no more "castrated" than it was in AH1, when the spitV accounted for -- what? -- 25% of all kills for a long period of time. Only in AH2 did it get a UFO engine mounted in the nose.

It now has half the cannon ammo load, therefore about 1/2 the potential kills/sortie therefore is castrated.

I am not saying it should have more ammo or a better engine, i just found its declining use interesting in that it has gone from being the dominant Spitfire variant to being outclassed by a porked Mosquito.

[Krusty]

I honestly don't think the ammo load is the problem... I think the majority of spitV pilots got used to being able to pull off insane BS whenever they wanted, and the reduction in boost back to +12 diminished this. I think that the boost levels in the XVI (and to a lesser extent the VIII) have drawn pilots off more than the ammo.

With hispanos any shot you land will kill (99 times out of 100) so the ammo load isn't as much a problem as pulling BS moves to get the guns shot. Once you have the guns shot boom target down.

So I think it's more an issue of the "former spitV pilots" moved on to a better-engined plane.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Krusty
With hispanos any shot you land will kill (99 times out of 100) ...

This is flat out, BS hyperbole.  Having flown Hispano armed aircraft an awful lot that is just simply not true.  They hit slightly harder than other 20mm cannons.  The biggest difference is that they are easier to hit with.

I have had a great many aircraft take hits and fly away.  Probably in excess of 75%, which you may notice is larger than 1%.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Casper1
Can we talk about perking the Spit XVI now?

Hate that plane!

Interestingly:

   1    Spitfire XVI    43991   38519 10.85    1.14
   2    La-7            36721   30634  9.06    1.20
   3    N1K2            30032   25117  7.41    1.20
   4    P-51D           25777   24621  6.36    1.05
   5    Typhoon IB      22640   15014  5.58    1.51
   6    Bf 110G-2       17592   22214  4.34    0.79
   7    SeaFire         16085   18221  3.97    0.88
   8    Hurricane IIC   15793   12328  3.89    1.28
   9    F4U-1C          12379    5346  3.05    2.32
   10   Fw 190D-9       12332    8245  3.04    1.50

Only 2 German planes in there...one being the 110 GV buster...poor 109 series

No need to perk the Spitfire XVI.  

ack-ack

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Krusty
1) Zazen's got a point there... Spit16s make up about 25% of all fighters I see (friendly and enemy), and despite the low K:D they are still hard to take down if you don't have friendlies near by to distract/attack them.

 

Look at all non-perked fighters, especially the non-speed rides. Considering it's usage and usage by 90% of the clueless noobs, the SpitXVI's K/D is very good. Anything above a 1 to 1 K/D for a non-perked fighter, especially a slow'ish one is good. Keep in mind my country post from 2 years ago. Bishops as a country had a negative K/D (.70 to 1), Knits broke even at 1 to 1, Rooks had a 1.3 to 1 K/D. So, any fighter that beats 1 to 1 K/D overall is above average and therefore quite good in the K/D Deptartment.

Zazen

[Dead Man Flying]

No, it's the ammo load.  The plane is still sweet, but it's tough to furball and take the sorts of low percentage shots you need to take in a furball when you only have 120 rounds of 20mm to do it.  

If it was just the engine, then you would not see people migrating to the Hurricane as they have.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Karnak
This is flat out, BS hyperbole.

Yes. Yes it is. And as such it is clearly evident. I'm not trying to pass of truth, I'm trying to make a point. If want the easiest-firing and best-hitting guns of the whole game, hispanos are the gun. I just said it in less words

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
No, it's the ammo load.  The plane is still sweet, but it's tough to furball and take the sorts of low percentage shots you need to take in a furball when you only have 120 rounds of 20mm to do it.  

If it was just the engine, then you would not see people migrating to the Hurricane as they have.

-- Todd/Leviathn

I agree with Todd here. Keep in mind the average hit % for a fighter pilot in the MA is 3%. If the SPitV has only 60 cannon rounds per gun , only 4 rounds are scoring hits for the average person per sortie, that's not even a guarentee of 1 kill. Even if the pilot is a good marksman, sporting a 10% hit %, which is rare, they only score 12 cannon round hits per sortie, so possibly 2 or 3 kills if he's lucky or vulching.

Zazen

[Krusty]

Meh, averages don't tell you too much, because while, say, 75% might get a hit percentage of 12%, say the other 25% fires of hundreds of thousands of rounds and never hits squat (HOs, spraying 1.5k, firing as they die, spiraling down, toolshed strafing), so I think that percentage is being dragged way down by the "low end".

In worse guns, with the 190E, I myself have gotten 3 b17 kills in 1 sortie (still had 21 rds of 20mm left) and 3 spitfire kills in 1 sortie (2x spit16 1x spit8) and had to rtb for lack of 20mm, and all the while my gunnery sucks. I take pot shots and bursts that don't land all the time. I screw myself over because of this but I'm a lucky SOB so I usually come out all right in the end (2:1 k/d this past tour).

So if I can get multiple 3-kill-sorties on a plane with 120 rounds of 20mm but worst ballistics, anybody in a much more manuverable plane with better guns can too.