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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2006, 02:50:01 PM »
and sandie... there are only two types... those who want guns banned and those who don't..  It matters not what gun you choose... there will be those who want it banned and those who don't.

Within the context of the constitution "arms"  those hand held small arms carried by troops...  there is allways someone who will pick and choose which ones they think should be banned and those who think none should be infringed.... I peg you as the gun banning former.    I am the "shall not be infringed" latter.

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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2006, 06:09:50 PM »
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Sandies premis fails in the real world.


Let me clue you in. That was the point.
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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2006, 06:52:14 PM »
Gun Control is all about education, respect, and hitting what you are aimming at.

I label myself as a conservative and I feel that there is already to much gun control.

When I get into certain conversations with people that feel all guns should be banned, I reach over and tap them on the shoulder. As the conversation goes on I tap their shoulder again. After about 5 taps they ask why I keep tapping them. I walk away and tell them they have just been stabbed 5 times and they are dieing and why isnt your precious law enforcement here yet to protect you? I'm going to go find somebody else to stab. They seem to always shut up after that and stay quiet for the rest of the time I'm around them. Hope its not me they are scared of.

When the topic is of hunting and they say you dont need an automatic to hunt with, I tell them that they dont need the $100 Nikes they are wearing to go hunting in but that they would probably wear them because its the only pair of shoes they got. Just because I can pull a trigger real fast doesnt mean I have to use it to kill a deer. Its just may be all I have a the time to get some meat.

I find most Libs in my parts want to be spoon fed and anything that happens to them is always somebody elses fault. EVERYTHING is always somebody elses fault and the human race is beyond the barbarianisms that would require uss to need guns.

I hear the sale of glass houses are on the rise.

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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2006, 02:47:16 AM »
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When I get into certain conversations with people that feel all guns should be banned, I reach over and tap them on the shoulder. As the conversation goes on I tap their shoulder again. After about 5 taps they ask why I keep tapping them. I walk away and tell them they have just been stabbed 5 times and they are dieing and why isnt your precious law enforcement here yet to protect you? I'm going to go find somebody else to stab. They seem to always shut up after that and stay quiet for the rest of the time I'm around them. Hope its not me they are scared of.


What....no ones pointed their finger back and said: "thats my thermonuclear warhead I've just dropped on your tapping finger knife"?

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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2006, 08:27:52 AM »
I don't think it is legal or a constitionaly protected right to own a thermonuke...   I don't think that it should be.   It would probly endanger the neighbors or firemen in a house fire... very reckless to own such a thing.

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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2006, 01:26:55 PM »
What Phaser has to do to buy a firearm (Pistol). (In Michigan)

A.   Find the one I want.
B.   Place a down payment on the firearm
C.   Drive to the sheriff department to get a purchase permit. (30+ miles, background check, test on firearm safety every year).
D.   Take the permit back to the firearms dealer and give it to him with the rest of the money. He then calls the FBI data center while I fill out the required forms (2 each). If the FBI says I’m a good boy I sign everything and he gives me the firearm and a copy of the permit.
E.   Drive back to the sheriffs department (within 5 working days) with the signed permit, gun and $5 bucks. They take the firearm, permit and money. They register the firearm in the state database and give me a safety permit for the firearm. I must have this permit at all times when I’m using the firearm.
F.   They tell me if I let a minor have unfettered access to the firearm and they use it in a crime, I’ll be prosecuted for the crime.
G.   I now have a new firearm.

Is this not enough? I work for the government. I have to keep 2 different security clearances to keep my job. In the last 20 years (yes 20 years) I have received only 1 traffic ticket. That’s it. Never been in trouble with the law. I work for federal law enforcement!
 I tell you for a fact. No bad guy will turn in his guns. NONE, NADA, ZIP.

Don’t punish me for other people being criminals.
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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2006, 02:13:38 PM »
No... not to the gun grabbers.  No law is enough... even tho not one of the hoops you have been forced to jump through has ever been proven to have prevented even one death or crime or solved one crime.... they still  make you do it...

The reasons are twofold.... If it is expensive and troublesome enough.... you might just say "the hell with it"  and give up the whole idea and...

They now know where to go if they ever get to confiscate firearms like they really want.

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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2006, 05:37:41 PM »
Give'em an inch and they will take a mile and then some.

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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2006, 06:39:45 PM »
Would not a letter in Corruption Weekly magazine be a better way to reach Kofi?

that sounds like I fun way to spend july 9. I wonder if my mauser can punch all the through a surplus baby blue helmet. and how can we find out? :)
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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2006, 07:29:00 PM »
Hypothetical question -

If there was gun confiscation, how would it be done?  And by whom?  Would Americans do it?

I remember thinking about this subject 10 years ago while up in a tree stand  30 feet above the ground and along a power line (could see about 1000 yards in each direction.)  The thought was prompted by 15 helicopters flying overhead in a line one after the other headed somewhere.  They were up too high to see 'em very well, but when sitting out on a deer stand all kinds of things go through my mind.  It's a good time to think because there's nothing else to do.

Anyhow, my imagination somehow got the better of me, and in accordance with a healthy paranoia (and the Art Bell show), I was thinking foreign UN soldiers would be the ones to seriously attempt an uninhibited confiscation where killing may come into play.  But this would be too easy, I was thinking, cause then law abiding Americans would not hesitate to defend themselves and would consider such a thing as gun confiscation as an act of war against them.  So there's no way that would work.

On the other hand, how many law abiding American law enforcement and military folks are going to be keen on the idea of bringing war to their own neighbors and countrymen?  I just don't see that happening.

The idea of gun confiscation, as presented by the helmet example is completely untenable imo.  No law enacting confiscation can constitutionally be passed here without doing away with the second amendment.  So what next?  The US has not and wil not sign a global small arms treaty (UN.)  And a treaty would be the only legal way to do it.

The letter is to the point and the concerns are valid.  It probably does reflect how people here in Alabama feel about gun confiscation.  However if you don't want it to happen, the best way is to join the NRA (National Rifle Association) and support them.  Money speaks louder than words unfortunately, but it's a much better way.  




Les

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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2006, 12:55:33 AM »
There is a game released recently that touches on it.  It's a really shoddy game with poor graphics and gameplay, but the plot is well thought through.



When the revolution comes (soon) USA breaks up into 5 or so factions, mainly based on geography.  But the UN (in the interest of world peace and prosperity) come in and capture Washington by force.

While the idea is really out there, it probably is what will happen.  When the revolution does happen, I'd put money down that the UN would try to step in.  Take a wild guess as to which side.
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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2006, 02:03:18 AM »
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I don't think it is legal or a constitionaly protected right to own a thermonuke...   I don't think that it should be.   It would probly endanger the neighbors or firemen in a house fire... very reckless to own such a thing.

lazs


Good point...perhaps pretending to be a Abrams tank would be more sufficient?

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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2006, 11:20:27 AM »
No reason a person shouldn't be able to own a tank.   Any high explosive shells should be regulated so far as not being allowed in populated areas tho.

Until '68 we could buy hand held, portable (75 lbs) semi auto 20mm cannon  thousands of em were sold for as little as $100 or as much as $200 ammo was about 50 cents a round.... millions of rounds have been sold and fired.   Do you all recall all the mayhem and killing and mass murders such weapons caused?  No?  because.... they didn't.

finestein would not like em tho because they would devestate an armored limmo.   Most of us don't ride around in armored limmos tho so have nothing to fear from the dentist down the street collecting one (I knew a dentist who had a lahti 20).

Leslie... they would offer amnesty for turning in guns... In the U.S. the compliance rate is about 0.001% for amnesty turn ins and most are inoperable or useless firearms... I have several trash guns that I would be willing to turn in for $500 each.

The amount of guns coming in and being made in garages and shops would exceed those turned in..  

My guess is that the U.N. would have to step in once the only agency that would attack U.S. citizens, the BATF got their butts handed to em a few more times.

SWAT and police would not be effective even if their heart was in it which it wouldn't be...  they ain't Texas Rangers (1 mob on ranger) they are SWAT tactics (1 wino, 600 swat)...  

To use federal troops on U.S. citizens would require martial law.

It is a fact that if only 1% of gun owners resited with deadly force... That would be  800,000 or more seperate fights.   We can't deal with 3 or four incidents per state at a time.   Imagine ten Waco's at one time in Texas and another 10 in Arizona and another 10..... etc.  Imagine that it would be near impossible to get police to kill women and children.

How many women and children could an adminestration sanction the murder of before support for it collapsed?

A riot about stops a state.   A bombing.... a Hurricane kills the economy...

but you are right.... Join the NRA... they really are fighting the good fight for us and..... winning.

lazs

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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2006, 11:25:28 AM »
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1. Do you consider yourself to be:
  a. Conservative
  b. Liberal

2. Do you believe that all guns should be banned?
  a. Yes
  b. No

1 = b
2 = b


1 = b
2 = b

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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2006, 11:27:56 AM »
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If you ban any gun that can't be used for "sporting purposes" then you have banned guns for what they constitution intended them to be used for.
lazs


The constitution created this amendment so that ..oh nevermind, why even get into this?