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« on: January 05, 2006, 01:06:50 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2006, 02:59:32 PM »
Gorgeous!

Thats not the Gustav that crashed is it? (the modified hispano-built one?)
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2006, 03:16:01 PM »
That is the Yak-3 with the R-2800 in it.

Mani-Yak I believe.

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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2006, 03:16:05 PM »
cool vids.   Landing speeds sure did seem fast, but then it just might have been the camera angle and zoom.   I thought all the Yaks used inline engines :noid

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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2006, 04:51:25 PM »
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Gorgeous!

Thats not the Gustav that crashed is it? (the modified hispano-built one?)


It is a modified hispano-built, but not the one that crashed.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2006, 04:53:03 PM »
Ah, ok. I wasn't aware there was more than one.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2006, 09:08:11 AM »
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I thought all the Yaks used inline engines :noid


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-3
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Yak-3U - Yak-3 fitted with Shvetsov ASh-82FN radial engine with 1,380 kW (1,850 hp) in an attempt to increase performance while avoiding the overheating problems of VK-107 and VK-108. Wingspan increased by 20 cm (8 in), wings moved 22 cm (9 in) forward, cockpit raised by 8 cm (3 in). Armament of 2x 20 mm Berezin B-20 cannons with 120 rounds per gun. The prototype reached 682 km/h (424 mph) at 6,000 m (19,680 ft) and while successful did not enter production because it was completed after the war.

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2006, 07:40:31 PM »
That 109 had a DB, yes?
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2006, 10:00:45 AM »
Cool stuff Mip.Realy neat sein that 109 crank up and roll out.

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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2006, 05:30:51 PM »
The Yak looked like a LAla ;)
And the 109 was sweet.
The Runway was not so sweet.
Where was this??????????????????????????????
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2006, 06:31:13 PM »
In my opinion it is not a Yak 3...............

I know this dispaly team continually refer to it as such and have some logic to do so...................

Its a converted Yak 11.............


The Yak 11 was a two seat trainer derived from the Yak 3 fuselage and wing with Shvetov Ash 21 (580 hp) engine.

Not a R-2800 nor  an Ash 82 (1650 hp).

This ac does give a very nice display ( I have seen converted Yak11's like this at Duxford twice).

The logic for the display teams Yak 3 claim is that the cockpit has been re designed back to original Yak 3 single seat configuration and location....................b ut the engine is no where near the original either in power or configuration.

In fact other Yak 11 -Yak 3 conversions have taken place where by an allison engine is used although not the original engine the weight, power and shape are at least more similar than this Ash 21 variant

It quite annoys me to hear so called aero expert commentators at air shows spout about the heritage of the Merlin engined spit fire in one breath then claim that the plane before us is a Yak 3 "but with a different engine" and then recount how this plane was the mainstay of the Russian airforce.................... I suppose if a spit turned up with a nice big radial on the front they would say the same thing?
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2006, 07:44:03 PM »
I belive they have a nice YAK-3 at dux....
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2006, 09:44:21 PM »
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Originally posted by Tilt


Its a converted Yak 11.............

The logic for the display teams Yak 3 claim is that the cockpit has been re designed back to original Yak 3 single seat configuration and location....................b ut the engine is no where near the original either in power or configuration.


It is a Yak-11, highly modified. Was originally obtained from Egyptian AF. Currently powered by a 1,450 hp P&W R-2000, 14 cylinder radial (same basic type use in the DC-4/C-54).

It sure sounds sweet...

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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2006, 06:28:51 AM »
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I belive they have a nice YAK-3 at dux....


The yak 3 is in bits at Duxford.........I was looking at them last July......there is a freshly refurbed allinson engine ready to go in.

I believe it is still the property of the OFMC.
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2006, 06:39:22 AM »
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Originally posted by Widewing
It is a Yak-11, highly modified. Was originally obtained from Egyptian AF. Currently powered by a 1,450 hp P&W R-2000, 14 cylinder radial (same basic type use in the DC-4/C-54).

It sure sounds sweet...

My regards,

Widewing


Are you sure wide wing.......I have seen the  ac White 27(F-AZIM) shown in the video a couple of times in displays at Duxford. Looking at the depth between cowl and exhaust vent it does not have space for a double row (2 x 7)radial.

I'll try to find the specs on this actual ac some where.


I was certain it was only a single row radial and assumed it was the original ash 21 or similar.
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