Perk the Spit 16!!!!!!!

[straffo]

Originally posted by Dace
C'mon everyone, SCREAM!!!!!!!!!! with me. It is getting ridiculous, way worse than the La7. The bugger of it is, the poor Spit14 gets no love with its light perks because ...why the hell would u fly a spit14 when the 16 is way more uber and it doesnt cost.


Take perks from Spit14,..apply them to the spit16.

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
43,991 kills last camp. What more do you want? Perk the damned thing, bring some balance back to the MA.

Balance in the MA ?

you want to break my Troll-O-Meter ?

[CHECKERS]

Originally posted by Dace
C'mon everyone, SCREAM!!!!!!!!!! with me. It is getting ridiculous, way worse than the La7. The bugger of it is, the poor Spit14 gets no love with its light perks because ...why the hell would u fly a spit14 when the 16 is way more uber and it doesnt cost.


Take perks from Spit14,..apply them to the spit16.

NO ! Leave the Spit XIV alone, no perks

[Kev367th]

Total deaths for fighters tour 70 - 309785
Total deaths for fighters tour 71 - 339415

My point?
Thats 30,000 more sorties AT least between the two tours, was similar for tour 69 to tour 70.

So there's been an approximate increase of over 60,000 sorties over the last 3 tours. Thats a hell of a lot.

OK you perk the XVI, thats 41,000 sorties 'at least' that will go to other planes. Probably a lot to the VIII, a lot to the La 7 and the minor rest scattered around.

This would push the La7 most likely to a higher level of usage than before, so then we're back to the 'perk the Lala' whines.

Ok they perk the Lala, thats now all its flights to be redistributed.

You see my point I hope?
There will ALWAYS be a popular plane.
Does it mean it should be perked?
If it can maintain a good K/D ratio I would say yes.
The fact the XVI has only a 1.14 K/D proves it's not the APEX PREDATOR some claim it is.
The same reason probably saved the La7 from a perk, it never really exceeds 1.1x either.

The thought of 40,000+ La7 sorties per tour all running would conscern me a lot more than the XVI.

[Lusche]

Right now the Spit stands at the top of the kill list with its 43K+ kills. but if it was perked, another plane would get there, most probably the La-7. Ok, lets perk it too... only to see another plane becoming the main ride for the majority of players. There will be always a top one, a most numerous one. And as the Spit XVI has only scored about 10%  of all kills - so i do not think you can say that it dominates the arena. And by looking at the K/D ratio, it is clear that the common perception of this plane is somewhat distorted - it´s not the killer you would expect it to be after you have read some threads here.
It may be true that the popularity of the Spit XVI results in diminishing use of other Spit variants - but if you like other planes more than the XVI, fly them yourself!

So IMHO it is not necessary to perk the XVI (but that is not a statement wether the XIV should be unperked or not)

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Lusche
Right now the Spit stands at the top of the kill list with its 43K+ kills. but if it was perked, another plane would get there, most probably the La-7. Ok, lets perk it too... only to see another plane becoming the main ride for the majority of players. There will be always a top one, a most numerous one. And as the Spit XVI has only scored about 10%  of all kills - so i do not think you can say that it dominates the arena. And by looking at the K/D ratio, it is clear that the common perception of this plane is somewhat distorted - it´s not the killer you would expect it to be after you have read some threads here.
It may be true that the popularity of the Spit XVI results in diminishing use of other Spit variants - but if you like other planes more than the XVI, fly them yourself!

So IMHO it is not necessary to perk the XVI (but that is not a statement wether the XIV should be unperked or not)

Exactly.
Maybe before people start asking for it be perked they should ask themselves one question -

Which planes will get the 40,000 sorties currently the XVI is getting?

My guess - La7 mostly, followed by VIII/IX, very little spread out over the rest.
It only needs 3% of the Spit XVI sorties going to the La7, to result in the La7 exceeding current XVI sorties.

Would I pay for a Spit XVI - Nope, it's just not 'survivable' enough in the MA. The XIV barely survives in the MA, the XVI would become ultimate late war 'Hangar Queen'.

Try unperking the XIV for one tour, see what happens. Most newbs assume 16 v 14, 16 = higher number, must be better than a 14.

Most don't even know the VIII came after the IX and was considered by the pilots the best Merlin spit ever produced.

[Ghosth]

Perk the spit 16 now.

Keep it cheep, heck split the perks for the 14 & the 16.

Perk em both at 2 perks for all I care.

But perk em and do it now.

Sick & tired of HO'ing running spitfires that can outclimb outrun out turn every plane in the set.

That is by definintion, unbalancing. Thats what the perks are for.

[Kev367th]

GhostH-
"Sick & tired of HO'ing running spitfires that can outclimb outrun out turn every plane in the set."

Outrun?
I don't believe the Spit 16 is even in the top 10 fastest.

Outurn?
It's probably in top 10, but towards 10.

Outclimb?
Probably #3 in the planeset (depends on alt)

Hardly what your statement is describing.

Part of its beauty is that they have no option but to fight 90%+ of the time.

Or would you rather be chasing lots more, faster La7's if the XVI was perked?

If your not catching a XVI, theres no way you'll catch an La7.

Seeing as you seem to fly the La5N and Yak 9T, I can't see how Spit XVI's are running away.

[hubsonfire]

The 16 has a lot more deaths, and lower K/D, because the CHog was and remains a vulcher. Short flight off a CV, bunch of vulch runs, retreat to the puffy ack, and land.

I'm not sure why you keep saying we'll only have La7s. La7 kills, and K/D, are up, way up, since the 16 was introduced. This can't mean that all the La7 pilots upgraded to spits, and that perking the spit will mean another 40000 La7s. This is just your attempt at panic-mongering to attempt to prevent what must obviously be done.

You keep saying the Spit isn't good at anything. If it's such a rotten plane, why does anyone fly it? It's not well armed, it's slow, it turns poorly, blah blah blah. BS. 44,000 kills. More than any other plane. Perk it. Sick and tired of seeing nothing but free latewar uberspits hording anything in the air.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
The 16 has a lot more deaths, and lower K/D, because the CHog was and remains a vulcher. Short flight off a CV, bunch of vulch runs, retreat to the puffy ack, and land.

I'm not sure why you keep saying we'll only have La7s. La7 kills, and K/D, are up, way up, since the 16 was introduced. This can't mean that all the La7 pilots upgraded to spits, and that perking the spit will mean another 40000 La7s. This is just your attempt at panic-mongering to attempt to prevent what must obviously be done.

You keep saying the Spit isn't good at anything. If it's such a rotten plane, why does anyone fly it? It's not well armed, it's slow, it turns poorly, blah blah blah. BS. 44,000 kills. More than any other plane. Perk it. Sick and tired of seeing nothing but free latewar uberspits hording anything in the air.

Re-check your La7 stats, youll find your wrong.
Its deaths and k/d have remained very similar throught the last 3 tours.

What has changed is that the overall number of fighter sorties has increased by some 60,000 the last 3 tours.

Well BS 44,000 kils to you. If it's flown the most OF COURSE it going to have the most kills, on the flipside it also has the MOST deaths.
A K/D of 1.14, is hardly the APEX PREDATOR you keep harping on about.

Spin it anyway you want, a K/D% of only 1.14 doesn't make it an apex predator of any kind.
Like I said if was above 2.0 I think you'd have a valid point, that puts it up in the same K/D range as other perked aircraft. (apart from the XIV).

OK then smarty, where do YOU think 40,000 odd sorties are going to go?
Maybe they'll just disappear never to be seen again.

[whels]

if ur dieing to spit16s alot, try using some ACM and not fight ITS fight.
if u fight the 16 on its terms u will die.

[Karnak]

They'll largely go to the Spit VIII, which will then suffer calls to be perked.

10% is a lot yes, but not that bad.  The F4U-1C was hitting almost 20% before it got perked.


EDIT:

Ok, answer this then.  As some fighter will always be at the top, what is the criteria that you find acceptable?  Less than 7.5% of the total kills?  Less than 5%?  Must be American?  German?  Russian? Japanese? Italian?  Must do more than 360mph on the deck?  Must do less than 330mph on the deck?  Must be armed with machine guns?  Cannons?  Like pornography, you'll know it when you see it?

[Vuokko]

Originally posted by whels
if ur dieing to spit16s alot, try using some ACM and not fight ITS fight.
if u fight the 16 on its terms u will die.

Please give me some tips how I can fight against Spit XVI in 109G2/109G6?

[Lye-El]

I must be missing something here. I usually fly a Spit VIII. Is the 16 so much more super duper that I am way outclassed by it? If so then I haven't noticed it. I hardly cringe in fear going against a 16.

Or is more that somebodys favorite ride is getting it's butt kicked by guys flying 16's?

Perk the 16 and the 8 will dominate I would think.

Oh, and perk the Tiffys and 190's. They are my personal pain in rear.

[Kev367th]

Heres the alleged 'uber' Spit -

Removing GV, buffs etc from the kills and deaths so it just plain fighter v fighter -

Last tour the spit XVI managed a whopping 1.06 K/D against ALL other fighters.

Wheres the 'uber' apex predator I keep reading about?

If you remove the current perk planes from the list the K/D gets worse.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Vuokko
Please give me some tips how I can fight against Spit XVI in 109G2/109G6?

Outdated fighters simply rely on superior air combat manuevering.  As this is a 1944/45 arena your Bf109G-2 and Bf109G-6 are just massively outdated, as is my Mosquito Mk VI.  If you want the Bf109G-2 and Bf109G-6 to be competitive you need a 1943 MA really.