Perk the Spit 16!!!!!!!

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by 1K3
Forget it, G-2s and G-6s are outdated and wont stand up against 1945 spits like spit 16.

You'll need a 109G-14 (light weight version of 109G-6 with nitros) or 109K to combat them effectively.

Thereby hangs the problem -
Most don't even know what a Spit XVI is or when it reached service.

Let do the 2nd one 1st -
October 1944 - NOT 1945.

What is it? -
It's a 1943 LF IX with an 'e' wing (20mms + 50cals).
Everything else is IDENTICAL to the 1943 LF IX
Same airframe, same motor.
Performance is for all purposes IDENTICAL.
A clipped wing 1943 LF IXc performs the same as a 1943 LF XIe, performs the same as an 1944 XVIe.

Why XVI? -
Because the motor was manufactured in the USA under US measurements. To prevent confusion and distinguish the different tooling required the LF IXe with a US produced Merlin 66 (Merlin 266) was redisignated the XVI.
(They couldn't use XV as it was in use for the 1st Griffon powered Seafire)

To summarise, yet again -
A 1944 Spit XVI has the same performance as a 1944 LF IXe has the same performance as a 1943 LF IXc.
It's not some 'uber' 1945 late anything, it's performance put it fairly and squarely in 1943.
The only way it would become a 1944/45 performing Spit XVI would be if the boost were increased from 18lbs to 25lbs.

The same Merlin numbering system was used for ones used in RAAF Mossies.
i.e. A number was added in-front of the Rolls Royce designation to show it was manufactured abroad.

Hence the Merlin 266 (used in the XVI) is an American built Merlin 66 (used in the LF VIII, LF IX), not some super boosted version.

To make it easy - IGNORE the XVI tag, think of it as a LF IXe.

[Furball]

so you are saying....

if we get a Spitfire LFIX we will have to perk that too?

[Squire]

What if everybody grabbed a VIII instead? which they would.

It would be "perk the Spit VIII". Its essentially a F IX but faster down low, just like the XVI.  

That would be next.

[1K3]

Originally posted by Squire
What if everybody grabbed a VIII instead? which they would.

It would be "perk the Spit VIII". Its essentially a F IX but faster down low, just like the XVI.  

That would be next.

Spit 8 basically a refined Ki-84 and people havent discovered it yet

[Squire]

They just picks 16s out of habit, but that would change under any new perk scheme.

I never really understood the "Perk Doctors" anyways, they think that those kinds of adjustements will "fix" something in the MA and it doesnt, it just shifts the same problem elsewhere, on to another type, LA-7, N1K2, P-51, Ki-84, whatever...its a multi sided war with free a/c and there will always be a top 2-3 choices that many players choose to pick.

Its like watching a dog chase its tail.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Squire
Its like watching a dog chase its tail.

Best analysis so far...

[TDeacon]

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Originally posted by Squire
Its like watching a dog chase its tail.
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[straffo]

Originally posted by Squire
They just picks 16s out of habit, but that would change under any new perk scheme.

I never really understood the "Perk Doctors" anyways,

They cry for perk because they suck.

[Karnak]

HTC should add the Ki-84-I-Otsu with the four Ho-5 20mm cannon.  That would be used with some frequency I think and it wasn't that rare with about 500 built, more than three cannon La-7s.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Furball
so you are saying....

if we get a Spitfire LFIX we will have to perk that too?

Yup after all they are the same aircraft, just motor produced in a different country.

Funny thing was both the LF IX and LF XVI rolled off the same production line side by side in Castle Bromwich.

All that decided which one they were going to become was which motor got fitted, the US produced Merlin 266 or the Rolls Royce produced Merlin 66.
Prior to the US built Merlin 266 they were all LF IX's. (1943 - Oct 1944)

[Furball]

lets hope we never get an LF IX then, would hate to see all 3 of the spits perked

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Furball
lets hope we never get an LF IX then, would hate to see all 3 of the spits perked

No point having the 1944 LF IX, we already have it - XVI. (only thing that makes it 1944 is the 50cals, everything else is identical to the 1943 LF IX).

Unless you mean a 1943 LF IX with 2 x 20mm and 4 x.303. Even then the VIII is so close theres still really no point.

Wouldn't worry anyway, XVI won't get perked unless -
a) It starts to get into the 2.0+ K/D range at current usage levels.
b) It starts getting 20%+ of the kills in the MA (like the CHog fiasco).

Can't see either happening.

[Urchin]

Originally posted by Karnak
HTC should add the Ki-84-I-Otsu with the four Ho-5 20mm cannon.  That would be used with some frequency I think and it wasn't that rare with about 500 built, more than three cannon La-7s.

It'd replace the Niki, imo.  It would take some time, but the Ki-84 outhandles the Niki in a fight, so the only reason to fly the Niki over it is that the Niki has twice the firepower.  Put 4 20mm on the Ki-84 and you'd have a new top 5 plane.

[Kev367th]

Originally posted by Furball
lets hope we never get an LF IX then, would hate to see all 3 of the spits perked

Prefer -
Old 'V' reinstated as a 1943 clipped LF Vc with Merlin 55M
Add XII

That would be the ultimate Spit list without getting into HF marks.

Although could always dream for an F.21 also , but that would be quite rightly perked.

[1K3]

Originally posted by Urchin
It'd replace the Niki, imo.  It would take some time, but the Ki-84 outhandles the Niki in a fight, so the only reason to fly the Niki over it is that the Niki has twice the firepower.  Put 4 20mm on the Ki-84 and you'd have a new top 5 plane.

nah N1K needs rework.  It's so daaaaamn smurfy that it's not funny.  I still can't believe people still fly that smurfy plane.

If HTC reworks N1K2-J then it will recieve automatic-extending flaps.  N1K2-J had that feature.