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Re: Terrorist Alert!
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2010, 07:32:58 PM »
it's pretty much that way now with the anhydrous tanks. meth heads would be hog heaven if they they got their hands on that stuff. It's so bad that the co-ops have cameras watching over the place.

What thery have is not that good, more of a "i know who you are" system.  As far as the camra, still not going to stop them.  it will catch them but nobody watching it happening.  By the time they notice a tank low or something that is out of place, the robbers will be long gone.  And not all CO-OP have cameras.   
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Re: Terrorist Alert!
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2010, 07:57:46 PM »
What thery have is not that good, more of a "i know who you are" system.  As far as the camra, still not going to stop them.  it will catch them but nobody watching it happening.  By the time they notice a tank low or something that is out of place, the robbers will be long gone.  And not all CO-OP have cameras.  

We have plenty of farmers who haul a lot of anhydrous out, we know they aren't making meth.  The problem is they might leave a tank sitting in a field for a few hours.  That is more than enough time for someone to get what they need.  Heck, all someone really needs is about 5 minutes, a bicycle tube, zip tie, and cooler and you're set.  That's just during the day, even an empty tank will spit out a few gallons the guy can use.  There are a lot of stupid meth heads though (hm, I wonder why) who try to pull out of the wrong valve, or leave valves open.  No one is going to notice a couple gallons missing out of a 1000 gal tank if you do it right.

 
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Re: Terrorist Alert!
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2010, 09:26:10 PM »
We have plenty of farmers who haul a lot of anhydrous out, we know they aren't making meth.  The problem is they might leave a tank sitting in a field for a few hours.  That is more than enough time for someone to get what they need.  Heck, all someone really needs is about 5 minutes, a bicycle tube, zip tie, and cooler and you're set.  That's just during the day, even an empty tank will spit out a few gallons the guy can use.  There are a lot of stupid meth heads though (hm, I wonder why) who try to pull out of the wrong valve, or leave valves open.  No one is going to notice a couple gallons missing out of a 1000 gal tank if you do it right.

 

That is excatily what i am talking about.  Your business know farmers in the area, and that is like that all across the country. Now what this guy did, and what happen in Oklahoma City in 95', Dept of Ag. will start pushing for back round checks on everyone wanting a certain amount of  anhydrous. Just like trying to purchase a gun.  How much fertilizer that guy got i do not know and where he got it i am sure FBI is all over that. 

I understand that he was train by Terrorist in Pakistani on making bombs.  If that is the case, the terrorist are quickly learning that agricultural business have the main ingredients to make a devastating bomb. 
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Re: Terrorist Alert!
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2010, 10:14:54 PM »


Most likely he would have told them that he is using it for the fescue grass,  hay production i bet.  You could put 100 to 150 lbs of fertilizer on fescue but all depends how many acres  you have 

100 to 150 pounds of ammonium nitrate will only cover approximately an acre.  I work at a farm store similar to co-op and we sell it by the ton to local farmers.  Now if some unknown comes in asking for a few bags (150 pounds) we will sell it, but if they ask for a couple thousand pounds we quickly make up excuses "we just sold the last pallet ... they are on the way to pick it up!"  By law we are required to keep it locked up only when we are closed.  As for a background check, I don't see it happening it would hurt too many farmers.
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Re: Terrorist Alert!
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2010, 10:30:09 PM »
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Re: Terrorist Alert!
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2010, 10:36:33 PM »
100 to 150 pounds of ammonium nitrate will only cover approximately an acre.  I work at a farm store similar to co-op and we sell it by the ton to local farmers.  Now if some unknown comes in asking for a few bags (150 pounds) we will sell it, but if they ask for a couple thousand pounds we quickly make up excuses "we just sold the last pallet ... they are on the way to pick it up!"  By law we are required to keep it locked up only when we are closed.  As for a background check, I don't see it happening it would hurt too many farmers.

My bad on the weight.  Thx for correcting me on that.  
Just wait, i will bet money that the fed will crack down on doing some sort of back round check to but fertilizer.  But it will only be buy certain weight.  We already been attack in Oklahoma City and darn near in New York City.  Who is to stop people for buying it to attack us again.  Yea, you may have a system to who you sell it to and who not to sell it to, but there are other that will be careless about it and sell it to anyone.  There are thousands of CO-OP like business out there.  I really doubt every one of them will drive away business to loose out on the money just because they do not know somebody who is buying it.  What is the going rate for ammonium nitrate per ton these days, over a thousand?  

5anders, i glad that you guys are particular to who you do business with.  Unfortunately, meth "losers" and now terrorist are getting their hands on it for other purpose.  Look what happen in London when some terrorist try to blow up a commercial plane with a 40 or so oz. liquid container with a special chemical mixture.  That one time event pretty much halt on what size of liquid container you are aloud to have in your luggage.  This event in new york city just may have the same results.
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Re: Terrorist Alert!
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2010, 10:57:14 PM »
I can actually see them cracking down on huge quantities like you say but not for a few bags here and there.  As for the price I'll check at work I can't remember off the top of my head. Will it be like the meth makers and sudafed though?  For a while you could only buy two packs of sudafed and had to sign for it, but I could walk into a store right now and buy as much as I want.
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Re: Terrorist Alert!
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2010, 11:03:07 PM »
I can actually see them cracking down on huge quantities like you say but not for a few bags here and there.  As for the price I'll check at work I can't remember off the top of my head. Will it be like the meth makers and sudafed though?  For a while you could only buy two packs of sudafed and had to sign for it, but I could walk into a store right now and buy as much as I want.

Yea, it will have to a certain amount and on anybody.  Just like trying to buy a gun and add the "do not fly" list on to it. 
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Re: Terrorist Alert!
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2010, 12:42:34 AM »
Ron whites terrorist system:

1. Buy a helmet
2. Put on the dang helmet

simple enough
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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2010, 06:23:26 AM »
We dont sell ammonium nitrate, just urea and 28/32% UAN. Wont ever have any either.
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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2010, 06:29:59 AM »
I thought rock quarries use it in blasting.
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