DNA proves Coleman did it

[lazs2]

Mt... your figures are correct... those states with death penalties have the highest murder rates... the murder rates in those states do drop tho for every execution done... it is a small drop but it does drop... there are few executions tho... if the amount of executions went up then so would the percent reduction theoreticaly..

now... you admit that the most savage around us can still commit murder in prison if they are allowed to live rather than be executed.   You are admitting that everything else asside.... the death penalty saves lives.

I do not believe in torture... that is a liberal thing.. they love to screw with peoples heads not me..   these murderers are rabid dogs and deserve no less consideration from an enlightened society than the real dogs do... we should put them down mercifully.   Why do you insist on cageing and torturing them for the rest of their life?

lazs

[Staga]

Originally posted by lazs2
Yep staga... whites are executed at a far higher rate than blacks.

lazs

Well math never wasn't my favourite in school.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by midnight Target
First of all life in prison does not automatically give you a license to kill in prison. I wonder how many shivs have been delivered by prisoners who are serving less than life? Silly argument really. California has a special prison for the bad ones, it ain't pleasant.

Secondly I think we need to compare the per capita murder rates in States with the death penalty and without. You can argue all you want about how it's done too infrequently or it should be quicker or whatever... but if the murder rate in DP states is higher then why kill prisoners? Retribution is a juvenile thing for a State to do. Everything should be geared toward making the State a safer place to live. If killing one murderer doesn't prevent murder than it is just foolish.

TEN WORST STATES FOR MURDER, 2003  PER 100,000
(1) Louisiana  13.0
(2) Maryland  9.5
(3) Mississippi  9.3
(4) Nevada  8.8
(5) Arizona  7.9
(6) Georgia  7.6
(7) South Carolina  7.2
(8) California  6.8
(9) Tennessee  6.8
(10) Alabama  6.6


 

TEN SAFEST STATES FOR MURDER, 2003 PER 100,000
(1) Maine  1.2 (no DP)
(2) South Dakota  1.3
(3) New Hampshire  1.4
(4) Iowa  1.6 (no DP)
(5) Hawaii  1.7 (no DP)
(6) Idaho  1.8
(7) North Dakota  1.9 (no DP)
(8) Oregon  1.9
(9) Massachusetts  2.2 (no DP)
(10) Rhode Island  2.3 (no DP)


So ALL of the ten worst states for murder have the death penalty...  while 6 of the ten safest states (lowest murder rate) do not have the death penalty.

Booyah!

MT can you give us the % of blacks living in each of those 10 worst and 10 best murder states?

[Momus--]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Anti-Death penalty advocates are silent today...

That's because a single case of a guy who claimed to be innocent and was shown to be lying automatically invalidates every single anti-DP argument in a stroke.

[Seagoon]

Hi Staga,

Originally posted by Staga
Few years ago someone said "Thou shalt not kill any living thing,' for life is given to all by God, and that which God has given, let not man taketh it away".


Anyone know who that was?

Yes, that was Staga on 01-12-2006 07:47 PM.

Before that it was a man by the name of Gideon Jasper Ouseley a 19th century vegetarian, mystic, and believer in the "ascended masters." The quote is from his book "The Gospel of the Twelve." Ouseley claimed he found the Aramaic text for this "new gospel" in a Tibetan monastery, although mysteriously the actual text has never been seen by anyone but the "translator" - Ouseley. But no, this quote while popular with the PETA crowd is not from the bible. Not surprisingly Ouseley's "Gospel of the Twelve" endorses all of Ouseley's pet causes, including vegetarianism, total abstinence from alcohol, and teaches "communal living" including shared ownership of goods.

The Bible on the other hand, unambiguously endorses Capital punishment in the case of murder both in the New and Old Testaments:

Gen. 9:5 "Surely for your lifeblood I will demand a reckoning; from the hand of every beast I will require it, and from the hand of man. From the hand of every man's brother I will require the life of man.
 6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.


Acts 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
 4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
 
The reference to the "avenger to execute wrath" hearkens back to the Old Testament judicial law that someone who committed murder would himself be pursued and put to death by either the nearest male relative of the slain individual or someone appointed to fulfill the function by the elders of the city in which the victim dwelt. There are several references to this office - "the avenger of blood", for instance:

Num. 35:16 ' But if he strikes him with an iron implement, so that he dies, he is a murderer; the murderer shall surely be put to death.
 17 'And if he strikes him with a stone in the hand, by which one could die, and he does die, he is a murderer; the murderer shall surely be put to death.
 18 'Or if he strikes him with a wooden hand weapon, by which one could die, and he does die, he is a murderer; the murderer shall surely be put to death.
 19 'The avenger of blood himself shall put the murderer to death; when he meets him, he shall put him to death."

If you are interested in a more thorough look at what kinds of killing are not prohibited in the Bible (self defense, capital punishment, just war, etc.) Take a look at:

The Sixth Commandment, Part 1

- SEAGOON

[lasersailor184]

Bad link Seagoon.

[Seagoon]

Sorry, link fixed, try it now.

- Seagoon

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Angus
How does that compare to the "color" distribution of the nation?

And any idea of confirmed executions of people later proven innocent?

Name ONE execution of an innocent man (in the last 100 years)

[Toad]

... could have prevented the recidivism that occurred AFTER this murderer was put in prison and while he was IN prison.

Calif. inmate says he's too old, ill to die

Allen was convicted in the 1974 murder of a 17-year-old robbery accomplice who had snitched on him. While in prison, he ordered the murders of three witnesses who had testified against him. He was sentenced to death in 1982 for those killings.

BTW, this fine human being got life for his role in killing Mary Sue Kitts.

Clarence was convicted of first degree murder, as well as burglary and conspiracy. He was sentenced to life in prison and ended up in Folsom

It was while he was in Folsom that he ordered the other three murders.

Read all about this wonderful, wonderful man right HERE

I really hope Ah-nold spares him.








Oh...wait.... no, I don't.

[lazs2]

as long as a rabid dog of a human lives he has the potential to cause more suffering and death on his fellow man.

This can not be dennied.

lazs

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by bj229r
Name ONE execution of an innocent man (in the last 100 years)

Keep your eyes on this story.

or this one.

that took about 30 seconds.

[lazs2]

those guys don't seem so innocent to me.

lazs

[Pooh21]

comeone MT dig up a story of a totally innocent, for example a eaglescout-choirboy arrested while helping an old woman across the street and executed for a crime he didnt commit

[midnight Target]

FOR THE LATEST exhibit of the fallibility of the judicial system, we turn to Joyce Gilchrist, a chemist with the Oklahoma City Police Department who has worked on more than 3,000 cases. Oklahoma has executed 11 persons based at least in part on her work. Twelve more remain on death row.

One man was executed in 2000 who was probably convicted on manufactured evidence. Look up Joyce Gilchrist for more..

http://www.truthinjustice.org/gilchrist2.htm

[midnight Target]

Newspaper Finds Innocent Man Was Put To Death In Texas
Posted on Wednesday, November 23 @ 11:00:00 EST by k-0s
 

 According to the Houston Chronicle, the 1993 execution of Ruben Cantu likely killed an innocent man. The investigation carried out by the newspaper found that one of the prosecutors, the jury forewoman, an alibi witness and even a victim all believe that Cantu was innocent. Much of the case, which involved a robbery and murder, was based on the testimony of a single eye-witness named Juan Moreno. Moreno, who was 19 years old and an illegal alien at the time of the crime, now claims he failed to identify Cantu after two seperate line-ups. Moreno claims he only identified, and later testified against, Cantu when police assured him that they were positive that he was guilty.