No.2 may be among the dead

[lasersailor184]

I thought that military experts said that the USSR could take over Europe and the Middle east in a few weeks? I guess Afghanistan is stronger than Europe and the Middle East combined.......how else could you have lost?

No.  If you set the nuke issue aside, Russia never had the ability to project power.  I.E. They couldn't take their armies half way across the world.

[Vulcan]

But ... I liked Number 2:

[TalonX]

Right after 9/11, I was amazed at the emotions of the Americans.   Lot's of fire....rebuild intel, strengthen the military.    These are the tools that keep us safe.

I used to say, "After a few years go by with no terrorist activity, please remember the emotions of 9/11".    I knew that the liberal underbelly would slowly turn us into terrorists ourselves, and we'd begin the slow demise of intel and military again.

It's happening, just as I feared.

If you favor stopping the efforts, if you favor weakening military and intel, please don't weigh in when it happens on US soil again.  

I am unsure why so many Americans feel the need to tear down America.

As for the foreigners posting here, I appreciate their opinions.  I hope they influence their own governments to their way of thinking, but don't come crying to the US when your bellybutton is in a sling.

I think we have done enough to bail Europe out of trouble already.   Just honor the Americans buried or lost on your soil.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Orrr it can be loooked at like
20 dead men (Im sure there wre probably men among them) Women and children who wouldnt have hessitated to lop off the heads or cut the throats of any american or westerner for that matter if they had nothing more and no other reasonthen the oppotunity to do so.

OR as we say on earth
Sey la vie

War is a dirty thing. there is no clean way to wage it.
I wish we'd stop trying.
Had we. we'd probably be much farther along

Wow.  Thats got to be the stoopidest thing I have ever read in my life.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by RAIDER14
They weren't really  that innocent the terrorist would have persuaded the women to blow themselves up near some U.S. Troops and The Children were gonna be future terrorist:aok

My god.  Is there any fricken wonder why?  Its called self defense.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by SirLoin
Just heard on the radio that #2 was not among those killed by the bombing.

Oh, but dont worry.  We can assume anybody we kill accidentally was planning to Nuke the US.

[Harry]

Originally posted by NUKE
I wonder how the US was able to be successful in Afghanistan, while you guys got your arse handed to you?

What makes you think you have been successful? You’re just occupying the country and BARELY managing to control the major cities. The wilderness is still warlord country. When you leave, like the Russians did, Afghanistan will be the same chithole it always has been.

lol! Next you’ll say you’ve been successful in Iraq as well!

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Wow.  Thats got to be the stoopidest thing I have ever read in my life.

How true WhiteHawk, looks like propaganda works,
humans rights are worth **** now.
I doubt this is a really good way to get new friends.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by TalonX
Right after 9/11, I was amazed at the emotions of the Americans.   Lot's of fire....rebuild intel, strengthen the military.    These are the tools that keep us safe.

I used to say, "After a few years go by with no terrorist activity, please remember the emotions of 9/11".    I knew that the liberal underbelly would slowly turn us into terrorists ourselves, and we'd begin the slow demise of intel and military again.

It's happening, just as I feared.

If you favor stopping the efforts, if you favor weakening military and intel, please don't weigh in when it happens on US soil again.  

I am unsure why so many Americans feel the need to tear down America.

As for the foreigners posting here, I appreciate their opinions.  I hope they influence their own governments to their way of thinking, but don't come crying to the US when your bellybutton is in a sling.

I think we have done enough to bail Europe out of trouble already.   Just honor the Americans buried or lost on your soil.

First of all, we have to be sure we are killing the right people or we are no better than the puke who carried out 911.  Second of all, they knew al-queada second man wasnt there or they would have launched 20 choppers with a cupple hundred special forces in an all out effort to capture the guy alive.  DO you realize the intel this guy could have provided?  we could have disabled the entire al queada network with this dude alive.  No way, no way on earth they just ho-hum bomb him dead.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Gh0stFT
How true WhiteHawk, looks like propaganda works,
humans rights are worth **** now.
I doubt this is a really good way to get new friends.

 I am disgusted with the US govt right now.  I am not against stopping the terrorist, quite the opposite.  But, im starting to wonder exactly who the terrorist are?  Do they want to strike america becasue they hate our freedoms?  Or becasue we drop bombs on thier families heads and then try to justify it as part of 'the war on terror'.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Wow.  Thats got to be the stoopidest thing I have ever read in my life.

Originally posted by Gh0stFT
How true WhiteHawk, looks like propaganda works,
humans rights are worth **** now.
I doubt this is a really good way to get new friends.

Oh booo hoo hoo.

some "innocent" villagers who were probably helping hide house and feed those directly responcable for 9/11 got killed while we were trying to kill those directly responcable for 9/11.

Sorry. my heart isnt pumping purple piss for them.
It is a not so little known fact that those poor innocent villigars in the area are largly in support of Bin Laden and his cohorts

If you are helping my enemy. You ARE my enemy.

If you are in front of my lines and among my enemy. Well thats a bad place to be cause you may die too..

There is no clean, nice polite way to successfully fight a war.
WAR is in itself a violation of human rights.
Bullets and bombs are very impersonal things. They tend to kill or maim whoever they hit. Not just the bad guys. Be nice if they could. But it just dont work that way.

But you want to mention human rights? what about the rights of the journalist who had his throat cut. or those that have had their heads cut off.
The people that killed them. And those that support them dont give a damn about human rights unless its their own.
You want to talk about propaganda? You feel bad that people have died who would just as soon kill any one of us as look at us.
So who is it really is the victim of propaganda?

Gimme a break. There is no clean way to fight a war.
You can and should try to reduce collateral damage where you can yes. But not if it interferes with the overall objective.

[StSanta]

Lots of probably, maybe, can have been, might in there Dreidlock.

If you can deal death based on so many maybe's, you're pretty callous.

If we try to stick to the facts it'd be fair to say that neither of us know anything about the people killed.

While tribes in the area are known to be sympathetic towards Islamists, it's not the same as being terrorists. It doesn't mean this particular tribe is, although it may very well be, considering an important enemy guy was in the vicinity.

Kids were killed. Kids generally haven't lived long enough to become hardened terrorists and usually don't have the means to support terrorists.

The fact is we don't know much about those that were killed. Calling them terrorists and terrorist supporters with nothing to back it up in order to justify their deaths is intellectually dishonest. If you can find some factual evidence to support your assertion, I'd be interested in seeing it.

If you know there's going to be civilian deaths as a result of an operation, you better make 100% sure you get the bad guy.

This operation was a f*ckup, not only because civilians were killed. That was expected, taken into account and the rewards justified it to the commanders ordering the strike. But they missed their target and instead killed a bunch of people who were at the periphery of the war on terror.

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
But you want to mention human rights? what about the rights of the journalist who had his throat cut. or those that have had their heads cut off.
The people that killed them. And those that support them dont give a damn about human rights unless its their own.
 

what have the dead civilians to do with that ???

i give you a brake, your attitude towards them "my heart isnt pumping purple piss for them" shows it all.
blood for blood.

StSanta said it right.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Eagler
except you lost..

If it was "defeat" then you don't have a slightest chance to win there. If you'll read something about 1979-89 in Afghanistan - you'll probably be surprised to know that USSR withdrew 40th army because of political decision, not because it "lost".

Do your soldiers walk around Afghani cities unarmed?

Funny how everyone already forgot that Taliban was defeated by Northern Alliance armed with Russian weapons. BTW, the weapon supply to NA was cut only a few months ago.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by RAIDER14
Well that was then this is now times have changed there are more terrorist and more weapons we had to fight the T72s Russia gave saddam plus countless insurgents

Funny. Saddam had Polish T-72s, not Soviet.

Again: immediately after Iran-Iraq war began - USSR immediately stopped all weapon supplies to Iraq. Most of Iraqi debt to USSR was for oil-drilling equipment.