No.2 may be among the dead

[Boroda]

Originally posted by NUKE
I wonder how the US was able to be successful in Afghanistan, while you guys got your arse handed to you? I'm pretty sure we have less troops than you did.

We have lost just over 2000 people in Iraq since we invaded, so it's not like we are getting are arses handed to us like you guys did in Afghanistan. How many did you lose again?

I thought that military experts said that the USSR could take over Europe and the Middle east in a few weeks? I guess Afghanistan is stronger than Europe and the Middle East combined.......how else could you have lost?

You guys screwed up almost everything you touched.

USSR lost 13700 men in Afghanistan IIRC. It's total losses in 10 years.

Again: we had three times less soldiers in a country two times bigger. We had total control over the country, and didn't have suicide-bombers blowing everything up every day. "Hostilities" could end in mid-80s if one country didn't support terrorists they have to "fight" now.

Compared to 40th army in Afghanistan - your "projecting power" is a total failure.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
No.  If you set the nuke issue aside, Russia never had the ability to project power.  I.E. They couldn't take their armies half way across the world.

RF has a border that's over 14000km long.  Russian Empire and USSR had a longer border. It takes 7 days to travel from Moscow to Vladivostok by train. Transferring huge armies (three fronts, more then US ever had) from Europe to Far East was almost half-world far.

Russia projected power to Far East in 1904-05 and in 1945. USSR defeated Japanese ground army in 1945, it took only two weeks and 9000 people lost. Manchurian operation was the greatest example of "projecting power" in human history. Even in 1904-05 Second Pacific Task Force made an unprecedented journey to Far East from Baltic Sea around Africa. Unfortunately - it was too late to save the war. As for Middle East - in 1942 USSR occupied Iran together with British Empire, and didn't suffer any significant losses at all. Now you project power to Iraq - does it make you happy? It's easy to bomb everyone to stone age half-world away, it's harder to come and stay.

[RAIDER14]

but in WW2 the USSR was not alone the U.S. helped them so USSR can't take all the credit and the USSR didn't make Japan surrender the U.S. did and Russia and Japan never signed a peace treaty after ww2 so technically Russia and Japan are still at war

[LePaul]

Originally posted by Boroda
USSR lost 13700 men in Afghanistan IIRC. It's total losses in 10 years.

Again: we had three times less soldiers in a country two times bigger. We had total control over the country, and didn't have suicide-bombers blowing everything up every day. "Hostilities" could end in mid-80s if one country didn't support terrorists they have to "fight" now.

Compared to 40th army in Afghanistan - your "projecting power" is a total failure.

Gee, its pretty bold of you to gloss over the fact your "supreme" government collapsed.

If you and your communist era bullcrap are so dominant, why'd ya die off like the dinosaurs you are?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by LePaul
Gee, its pretty bold of you to gloss over the fact your "supreme" government collapsed.

If you and your communist era bullcrap are so dominant, why'd ya die off like the dinosaurs you are?

I said some things. They are 1) Facts and 2) Estimations.

Look, you don't even argue with estimations, you only say some expected nonsence.

Sorry, but "history is on our side". You are not even smart enough, so you fall into traps we already suffered.

[*NDM*JohnnyX]

You can't compare US in Iraq and Russia in Afghanistan. Compare both nations efforts in Afghanistan.

Look at reasons for invading.

Look at casualties per year, for extent of conflict.

America is doing better....much better than Russia did. When you invade Iraq you can tell us what we're doing wrong. Also, if you feel the need to bring up how we supplied the men fighting your men in your little field trip, by all means, supply the Taliban with weapons to fight us. Or the Iraqi insurgents. But you won't you know why? Your country is dead in the water.

[Vulcan]

LOL @ at the orphan of the failed communist experiment waving the facts flag around. History is always on your side when you write it

[LePaul]

Originally posted by Boroda
I said some things. They are 1) Facts and 2) Estimations.

Look, you don't even argue with estimations, you only say some expected nonsence.

Sorry, but "history is on our side". You are not even smart enough, so you fall into traps we already suffered.

Looks like you have a solid case of dimentia!

"history is on your side" ?  So tell me, what did Afghanistan do to the USSR to deserve an invasion?  The Taliban attacked us...what's your story?

Expected nonsense?  Oh Im sorry, does that mean my facts dont fit your delusions?

The USSR got spanked hard and ran with its tail between its legs.  Then, not long after, the USSR crumbled.

Now yo go spin that for a few hours and reply.  I certainly appreciate the comical responses.  You, my friend, are our new Baghdad Bob.  "No no, Russian won!"  LOL

[Squire]

The usual white noise.

In any case what I always find disconcerting is that there never seems to be good human assets in that part of the world. Its Pakistan, its a small village, and again and again the forces there have to rely on using air strikes on these kinds of targets, rather than a team to go in and see who and what is there. I just dont see making a big dent by remote hellfire missiles unless you get very very lucky. I know part of it is the difficulty of the terrain, and the remoteness of the sites, but still, what happened to all that rebuilding of covert assets? Need some Pakistani speaking folks who can mix in there and see stuff on the ground with their own eyes, and people to back them up. Not just shooting missiles at thermal spots from a Predator drone. Reminds me of pre 9-11 methods that didnt work.

Too bad they didnt splat him, but they need more covert boots over there. Try it the old fashioned way, with a SMG and a grenade first. Or two.

[Momus--]

Originally posted by LePaul
Looks like you have a solid case of dimentia!

"history is on your side" ?  So tell me, what did Afghanistan do to the USSR to deserve an invasion?  The Taliban attacked us...what's your story?

One of the reasons the USSR invaded was because of the growing influence of Islamic nutjobs in Afghanistan. Sound familiar?

In case it escaped your notice, the effective influence of the US troops in Afghanistan barely extends beyond Kabul and a few other urban areas. The rest of the country is as much a basket case as it always was. Also, your handpicked Afghani president just tacitly admitted that he can't handle the ongoing insurgency directed by the remnants of the Taliban despite all the US troops at his disposal. Or did the news of Karzai offering to have talks with Mullah Omar not register with you despite it being plastered all over the world media?

Better not start declaring victory just yet hey? After all, if you are doing so well in the region, then why not insert troops into the scene of this latest failed attempt to bag a senior AQ figure instead of relying on a UAV attack that smacks of desperation?

The USSR got spanked hard and ran with its tail between its legs.  Then, not long after, the USSR crumbled.

The USSR stuck it out for an entire decade though in spite of the US helping the Islamists it now purports to oppose, and it took the events of Sept 11 2001 to prove them right, or did that not occur to you?

[TalonX]

Well, ok.

Fact - It's gone.

Fact - It was a flawed concept from Day 1.

Fact - It required fencing IN their own people.     Think about it.


The Evil Empire is gone, and Reagan broke their back through the brilliance of a technology that didn't work.   God love it.

[RAIDER14]

If the Cold War turned hot


Russia would look like this


Get the Point:aok

[DREDIOCK]

The downside is so would alot of the rest of the world also looked like that.

Including here

One of the best lines I heard Gorbachev say was when he was visiting the US and someone asked him "how many nuclear missles do you have aimed at the US"

His responce. "Not any more then you have aimed at us."

thats why whe I used to hear people all paranoid after 9/11 about the possibility of another major attack I would shrug them off cause I remember when the threat was alot worse.

Not that the current threat isnt serious.
Its just nowhere near as bad as it was during the cold war.
When as a kid I remember we used to have two types of drills in school.
One was the standard fire drill where everyone would walk outside.
the other was one where we all used to go down to the basement.
I remember clearly passing under the sign above the door that read "Fallout Shelter".

Like I said. We've been through worse

[Harry]

Originally posted by Boroda
Again: immediately after Iran-Iraq war began - USSR immediately stopped all weapon supplies to Iraq.

Havent you been cought with this lie before? The MiG-29 didn't enter service with the USSR until after the start of the Iran-Iraq war. Where did Iraq get those MiG-29s? Where did they get the spare parts for all those MiGs to keep them operational into the '90s?

[B@tfinkV]

the sad truth is, if we dont start killing each other alot more then people will quite literally be falling off their countries into the oceans.