The right to bear arms saved my life

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by *NDM*JohnnyX
There are many areas where crime is so dense the police can't handle it

but what does this really means then ? i wouldn stay in such areas for 1 sec.
not with my family. All this troubles are not worth it, even if i would have
100 guns at home, i doubt my family would sleep very well.

I hope the best for your future xmarine, i'm not a pro-gun, but i'm also not
a anti-gun type, its maybe because just where i grew up the last 37 years,
nobody here owns guns or needed one. But maybe it would look
different if i grew up where you are.

What a wonderfull world!

[lazs2]

ghost... if you live in a lilly white socialist country you can not even comprehend the minds of these scum who have no real human emotions except pleasure pain and anger.  

It is difficult for old people or people living on a fixed income or young people starting out to not live in an area that is at least close to hordes of these vampires.

We may have created them by attitude or socialism but.... I don't care the reason... they are our problem now and I don't want to face em with my bare hands.

lazs

[Furball]

Originally posted by eagl
Beetle,

You're saying if he didn't have a gun, and was confronted by 3 large druggie thugs who as criminals that pay no attention to laws MIGHT have guns, and who were basically intent on beating him severely, he would have felt safer?

Dude, can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking?  If he'd been in the same situation in London or anywhere else in England for that matter, at the least he'd have ended up in the hospital after getting assaulted.

I have to say i agree with you here.  I do not feel the need to own a gun, or am i pro gun ownership in the uk, but if i was in xmarine's situation i would much rather be armed than not.

[eagl]

Ghost,

You're that easily frightened off your land?  You'd give up a house that your family had lived in for generations, just because some bad neighbors move in and start acting like the scum that they are?  You'd abandon everything because the bad people moved in?

Keep that up and there will be no safe areas anywhere.  Good, honest, upright citizens must fight back or the criminal elements will win, every time.  The police have no ability to stop this, and they're not even supposed to try.  They exist to keep things stable, and if you voluntarily leave your home anytime you don't like your neighbors, then the police really have nothing to do since you've solved the problem by leaving.  That's how police and decent citizens abandon entire neighborhoods to the criminals.

If you don't stand up for yourself, nobody will, and you'll be a victim without a place you can call home for the rest of your life.

[Toad]

Originally posted by beet1e
Mr. Toad, when I said a "city that allows this", I wasn't talking about the firing of the gun. I was talking about the person holding it being allowed to get hold of it in the first place. It's like allowing Iranian ayatollahs to have nukes, but on a different scale. I know that many people here - including NUKE - will relate to this.

Poor laddie.

Cities here don't "allow" the firing of the gun.

Cities here don't just "allow" the person holding it being allowed to get hold of it in the first place. There are gun laws here too.

In the instance you show, a fully automatic weapon, the purchaser and holder is required to register it with the Federal Government. These are also known as "NFA" weapons, as they are regulated by the National Firearms Act.  (Title 2 of the 1968 Gun Control Act is the National
Firearms Act).

It is illegal for anyone to have possession of an NFA weapon that is not registered to them in the NFA Registry.  The ATF cannot approve a
transfer/registration where federal, state or local law would be violated by
the transferee possessing the weapon in question.

Further, the individual must submit  fingerprints, photograph,
and the law enforcement certification. The law enforcement certification generally used says:

[qutoe]"I certify that I am the chief law enforcement officer of
the organization  named below having jurisdiction in the area of
residence of (name of  transferee).  I have no information that
the transferee will use the  firearm or device described on this
application for other than lawful purposes.  I have no
information indicating that the receipt and/or possession of the
firearm described in item 4 of this form would place the
transferee in violation of State or local law."
[/quote]

So, you see that these weapons aren't just "allowed". One can have them but they are tracked and regulated.

Now, people having these weapons without registering them and getting the approval of their local CLEO are called..... wait for lads..... criminals.

By defintion, criminals disobey laws; no amount of further law making will change that.

[Morpheus]

Beetle, I think you forget that we dont live on (in comparison of size, in every aspect) a small island. Everything here is bigger, everything... so to compare the US with you (as you always love to do) people really doesnt say much. Its alot easier to walk by and knock down an ant hill than it is to knock down mount Everest.

You will never take the guns out of the hands of criminals. You might, if you're lucky, get a few... A few of which will be replaced the following day. Dont kid yourself. Guns are here to stay. Like I said before, these laws of "gun control" only control the average, honest man or woman, and do more harm than good in most cases. What you do-not-understand is that criminals are just that. They are; in their minds, above any and all laws. That's what makes them criminals.

The police asked for xmarines gun because they are obligated to  do anything in their power to prevent a foreseen problem. What they do not have the power to do is take a legally owned firearm out of the hands of a US citizen. I can assure you, had they forcefully taken his gun from him he would have quite the case against them, and the city. And thankfully, the cops weren't stupid enough to force him to surrender his firearm. Because he didn't break any laws.

Guns will always be easily accessible. I am sure, being anti-gun/anti-rights as you are, you have seen those pictures from years back in which piles upon piles of guns sitting next to a furnace awaiting to be melted down. That picture; taken simply as a plablicity stunt by and for the anti-gun/anti-rights activist, is just a fart in the winds of time... At best. One could spend a lifetime taking and destroying firearms and still not make even the slightest of dents. The number of guns in the world today is beyond measure, to honestly think you could take all those guns away is as naive as one can get.

I dont expect you to understand the notion and meaning of The Right to Keep and Bear Arms. You don't have to. You live in a world that doesn't allow people those rights; among others, and sadly, probably never will. The way you think and feel about guns and the rights to own them isn't your fault. It has been programed into you at birth and can never be changed.

[Furball]

this BS America vs. Britain gun ownership bickering should be taken to another thread

[lasersailor184]

Hardly, it's very applicable.

[Furball]

fine.

http://www.met.police.uk/firearms-enquiries/f_fit1.htm

[beet1e]

Originally posted by eagl
Beetle,

You're saying if he didn't have a gun, and was confronted by 3 large druggie thugs who as criminals that pay no attention to laws MIGHT have guns, and who were basically intent on beating him severely, he would have felt safer?

Dude, can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking?  If he'd been in the same situation in London or anywhere else in England for that matter, at the least he'd have ended up in the hospital after getting assaulted.

I'm saying that in London, it's far less likely that he'd be faced with druggie thugs with Mach 10 - or whatever that gun is in the pic I posted. The sort of guns owned by many of the people on this board simply cannot be bought here, which means there are none to steal. The warm & fuzzy "Church bingo night" sensation was how Lazs described his state of relaxation when he visited London, unarmed, a few years ago.

Just curious, but since you are so strongly opposed to gun-ownership for self-defense or any other non-governmental purpose, why did you go to the shooting range with Lasz when you visited the U.S.? I can understand curiousity, but that smacks of hypocrisy. - Shuckins

Because Lazs very kindly invited us, and even offered to accommodate us at his hovel. We couldn't stay because we were due downstate early the next day, but at least we were able to spend a few hours at the gun range. Yes, it was very interesting. I was curious to see how quickly a novice like me would be able to hit the target, and I was curious to find out how those semi auto/1911 guns worked. And... I have never suggested that law abiding Americans should give up their guns - for all the reasons Morpheus said. (I'll come to him in a minute)

He's smoking some toodlepip, with a side of cracking cheerio cookies for the cup of bollocks tea.

By defintion, criminals disobey laws; no amount of further law making will change that. - toad

I know. All the more reason to keep them from getting guns like the one in my pic. ^ We've attempted to do that, and have had considerable success, though we have never achieved nirvana. Your country made the decision to allow all citizens to bear arms. I doubt that the guys who dreamed that up ever envisaged the day when a young black male would be in possession of a weapon that could fire about 10 rounds a second. After all, the second amendment was ratified some ~70 years before the thirteenth amendment, the one which abolished slavery, so presumably your black slaves were not considered "citizens", and therefore were originally outside the scope of the second amendment. A roving gang of hooded druggie thuggies armed with machine guns: Is that what your forefathers had in mind when they conceived the notion of "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State"?


Morpheus!

"You will never take the guns out of the hands of criminals."

In a utopian society, that's very true, because they'd never get guns in the first place. Thanks for the rest of the post. Permission to get up from the couch now, Doctor. My hour (er, 50 minutes) is up!

[LePaul]

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[beet1e]

Originally posted by LePaul
Dont worry, Beet.  Over here, we take guns away from wife beaters.

I haven't had a wife since 1995.

[Pooh21]

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[Morpheus]

[beet1e]

oh wait, it was 1996. That last post was just an excuse to air my sig!