Why A20?

[cobia38]

aint it cute !!!!!!






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[BlkKnit]

I think somebody needs hug.  

A26 sounds awesome but, as previously posted here:

A-20G also allowed much of the artwork to be used for the Boston Mk III, providing an earlier Allied bomber.

Play balance, my boy, play balance.

A20 was in it from beginning to end with numerous air forces and in every theater of the war in large numbers.

A-20/Boston series served in far greater numbers, and throughout most of the war. Moreover, its impact on the war was probably orders of magnitude greater than the A-26, which didn't see combat until September of 1944, and then only in limited numbers at first

The A20 on the other hand is a fun bird in its own right.
4 500's in bomb bay, 4 500's on wings for 4000 lb total. Thats pretty respectable for a "light" bomber. 6 .50's pack a punch once the bombs are gone. Again, more than plenty.

If you think anyone in this thread was being rude.....you must not get out much.

[Ghosth]

Stick a sock in it lazy we "Were" being nice.

If you really want to influence people here you need

A Data, uncoruptable, unmistakeable real life data for the plane in question.

B Real life release dates, service dates, when actually units took posession of units. When they actually flew missions, and did they actually kill anything.

C You have to remember we are a jaded lot. We've been doing this for 5 years here. We've heard & seen it all, and then some in that time.

So for a second pretend your HT, he's chosing an attack bomber for AH for the forseeable future. He has a few options, do you choose a

B25, pretty much everything the 25 can do the B26 in game already does, scratch that one.

The A26  which was strickly a late war bird, which may significantly impact gameplay.

The A20/boston series. Which saw service thoughout the entire war.
Flew in every theater, had a good attack record and had a good punch, but not so much to be unbalancing.


So overall the A20 is a much more representative attack bomber. If you seriously step back from where your standing. Look at all the options you can see why its the A20's we have.

It takes away nothing from the A26, which I agree was a hard hitting monster. I would love to see it in AH someday. Right after I get my H8k Flying Boat!

[the Lazy ace]

(sigh) y do i even bother. i am not a very patient man, and i would like things done correctly, some of u have awnser my question approprietly and i thank u for that, others, who i will not mention, are wasting my time. so please THROUGHLY read the posts and come up with a APPROPRIET awnser. i am sorry if some of u may find this offensive so TOUGH ****, if u have a problem with me complain to someone else cause i dont wanna hear it

[KD303]

Originally posted by the Lazy ace
i am not a very patient man

No? Really?

You asked two questions, one of which was why did HTC screw us over. The reply was this - HTC did not screw us over.

The A20 fits in with this game well. You might as well ask why HTC screwed us over for not adding a whole load of other planes.
Ask a stupid question...

You really need a huge chill pill!;)

KD

[mussie]

Ghosth mate I was trying to be cheeky with my B-25 response

Not that I am expecting to see it in the MA But with 14 50cals and a 75mm. I think it sorta out ranks the B-26...

I know I would pay bulk perkies for that.....

[Ghosth]

Don't get me wrong mussie, I miss the 25H myself.

Used to duel with it back in the ol brand W days.

Regretfully it seems that someone just doesn't care for it. Or is afraid it will get abused. Personally I think it would be the ultimate low level bird to go hunting barges/trains with. Which I'd like to see more of btw. Along with coastal shipping, and a reworked strat setup.

Plus with that 75mm in nose it "should" be good at GV killing.
Not to mention leveling a city.

[Nosara]

and just think all I want is a............................ ..........................Jee p

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Ghosth
Or is afraid it will get abused. Personally I think it would be the ultimate low level bird to go hunting barges/trains with. Which I'd like to see more of btw. Along with coastal shipping, and a reworked strat setup.

Plus with that 75mm in nose it "should" be good at GV killing.
Not to mention leveling a city.

In WB they did not model the issues with the cannon feed system, namely that it was loaded manually.  That had a severe impact on the rate of fire, or if it could fire at all.  Unless they can model that it really would be abused.

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by the Lazy ace
(sigh) y do i even bother. i am not a very patient man, and i would like things done correctly, some of u have awnser my question approprietly and i thank u for that, others, who i will not mention, are wasting my time. so please THROUGHLY read the posts and come up with a APPROPRIET awnser. i am sorry if some of u may find this offensive so TOUGH ****, if u have a problem with me complain to someone else cause i dont wanna hear it

AHAHAHAH that's funny stuff. Why don't you do us all a favor next time and "just not bother" You've been given appropriate answers many times in this thread. If you think anything said is being rude(especially after you bad mouth a game we all like) then you won't survive on these boards for long. Anyways, I have on good information that the A26 isn't added because HTC enjoys listening to people whine.

[Westy]

I think we got ourselves here a thalidomide baby!

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by Karnak
In WB they did not model the issues with the cannon feed system, namely that it was loaded manually.  That had a severe impact on the rate of fire, or if it could fire at all.  Unless they can model that it really would be abused.

I would think they could use the fire/reload rate of the Panzer or T-34, or set it up similar.   I guess i dont see how it could be abused though, it only carried about 50 or less rounds for the 75mm?

[mussie]

It wont happen I know but seeing as someone raised this post from the dead.....

 I would be willing to pay a good 200 perks for the 25H, no formations allowed

(just imagine the carnage those 50's could deliver)

 

[Ghosth]

Airscrew, as I remember the 75mm should only have 21 rounds or so.

As to the loading problems, that should be a fairly easy problem to fix.

First round is in the chamber, so no delay there.
Bang
shortest reload time. (gunner has had time to get shell ready before gun was fired)
Bang    (2 rounds have been fired, By now cockpit is filling up with smoke, reload will take a bit longer.)
Gunner has to fumble for shell etc.
So add 3 seconds to first reload time.
Bang
Add 3 more seconds
Bang
Add 5 seconds.

If at any point gun is not fired for 30 seconds, reset reload time to min.

Not sure I'd be willing to spend THAT many perks.
But i'd sure dish out 20,25 for this bird.  We need more planes to spend bomber perks on! This would be a good choice IMO.

[Airscrew]

Ghosth, I see were your going with the reload timing but I think it might be a little more that 3 or 5 seconds.
1. The plane is moving around, turbulance, up and down, makes it hard for the reloader to keep his balance
2.  Open the breach, remove spent shell casing (hot), discard, grab new shell, load, close the breach.
3. I dont think the smoke in the cockpit would be that big of an issue, moving at 180 to 210 mph with windows down would probably blow most of the smoke out, plus you wouldnt be refiring often enough.  

for instance, I line up on a target, say a tank, probably the effective range to hit something like a tank would be 200 yards (taking in consideration trying to aim from an unstable platform it would be difficult, plus a tank is a relative small target when your moving at 180mph)  Once you fire and allow for the reload time, you've overflown your target and you either hit it or you didnt.  if you missed it'll probably take you a couple minutes or so to reposition your plane for another pass.  If you hit it, you still might have to make another pass,  75mm is not exactly a one hit wonder on tanks.

Also, are the 75mm rounds HE or AP?
I also dont see a need to perk a B-25G or H.  Why?  it would not be as manuverable as the A-20 or the IL-2.   I would think the destructive power of a B-25G with 21 rounds of 75mm would be close to equal of the Mossie 20mms or Me110 30mm.