Author Topic: why no Ju88G? (Read 2493 times)

SMIDSY · « **Reply #15 on:** January 18, 2006, 02:30:31 PM »

funny story: American fighter pilots made a habbit of HOing bomber JU-88s which could be distinguished from the fighter varient by their glazed nose. well, pilots of FIGHTER Ju-88s got wise to this and painted the nose of their aircraft blue, luring in foolhardy american pilots...HAY!! we got a paint scheme for the sucker all ready!! WOOT!!!

Bruno · « **Reply #16 on:** January 18, 2006, 03:37:17 PM »

The Ju 88G-6 was the ultimate German night fighter in the NJG force in November 1944 until May of 1945 and carried the final versions of the Neptun FuG 217 in the wings and 218 in the nose and at least 12 examples carrying the advanced FuG 240 Berlin 1 radar sets. The G didn't enter service in any meaningful numbers until late '44 and hardly ever flew during daylight.

Some G-6s were used as Lotsen for fighters in daylight. These provide Navigation in blind flying situations such as Bodenplatte. Ju-88s (mostly Gs) lead / navigated the LW fighters to the front. Flying OTD in low light conditions with fresh snow while in formation and watching for the enemy was a bit much for the the average LW fighter pilot, not to mention the Nachwuchs at this point in the war..

But as a daylight fighter it saw almost no usage and wouldn't have lasted 10 seconds over NWE in late '44.

Bruno · « **Reply #17 on:** January 18, 2006, 03:44:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Those are the reasons I always advocate the Ju88G-7b and not the Ju88C-6b. Particularly the bolded part.

First the G-7 saw almost no use, second as a point of interest the a, b, and c designations were provisional only and did not officially exist for the C-6 series or for the G-6 series and the non operative G-7.

Just dont get to caught up onthe a b and c's

Klum25th · « **Reply #18 on:** January 18, 2006, 03:52:35 PM »

Wasnt there a version on the Ju88 night fighter that had a big radar on front, and I think where the tailgunner sat, there was a big gun that was used on RAF bombers at night since the RAF bombers where vunderable from the belly. Not saying this would be good to add to the game, but wasn't there 1 like that, or was there another german plane like that.

Lusche · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2006, 04:15:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Klum25th
Wasnt there a version on the Ju88 night fighter that had a big radar on front, and I think where the tailgunner sat, there was a big gun that was used on RAF bombers at night since the RAF bombers where vunderable from the belly. Not saying this would be good to add to the game, but wasn't there 1 like that, or was there another german plane like that.

This kind of additional armament was used on many nightfighters, Ju88, Do 217, He 219, Bf 110 etc. it was called "Schraege Musik" and consisted of 2 cannons of various type (20-30mm). They fired at a fixed angle upward. If I recall correctly, around 60-65 degrees. The pilot had an additional gunsight for this.

Krusty · « **Reply #20 on:** January 18, 2006, 04:16:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Bruno
First the G-7 saw almost no use, second as a point of interest the a, b, and c designations were provisional only and did not officially exist for the C-6 series or for the G-6 series and the non operative G-7.

Just dont get to caught up onthe a b and c's

Bruno I only quoted the variants my book mentioned. It's relatively safe to say that the G6 and G7 are relatively similar in performance and capabilities. Otherwise, I would have posted a more numerous variant (or heck, posted info on more variants, larger pool of info).

chris3 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 18, 2006, 04:29:47 PM »

moin

i think this g6 is not a nightfighter. No Radar is shown on the pick.

cu chris3

Debonair · « **Reply #22 on:** January 18, 2006, 04:34:53 PM »

Does anyone know how many of the 21cm rockets the rocket firing Ju88s carried?
I know 4 on the BF-110s & I've seen photos of 6 on Me-410s, one might guess more on a larger plane like the Ju88...
...that photo of the Do217 with 4 torpedos was a real eye opener. I thought the B-24s that carried 3 were the most...

Squire · « **Reply #23 on:** January 18, 2006, 04:39:20 PM »

What Bruno said.

"i think this g6 is not a nightfighter. No Radar is shown on the pick."

Then why is it in night fighter camoflage?

I admitt, I cant see the antenna in the photo, but it looks like a non operational a/c, over run by the allies. Could have been damaged or removed.

chris3 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 18, 2006, 04:53:27 PM »

mmh, Maybe. thats interestening idee.
Im not sure that it is nightfighter camoflage because did you remember the 109g10 skin of jg 300 it locks the same.
i m still cherching for some thinks to say that the ju88 was used as a dayfighter too (in the beginning of the airbatel over germany).
cu chris3

Lusche · « **Reply #25 on:** January 18, 2006, 05:05:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Squire
What Bruno said.

"i think this g6 is not a nightfighter. No Radar is shown on the pick."

Then why is it in night fighter camoflage?

I admitt, I cant see the antenna in the photo, but it looks like a non operational a/c, over run by the allies. Could have been damaged or removed.

In the last weeks of the war, many nightfighter and bomber units were used solely in a night-jabo role ("nachtschlacht"). Reason was allied dominance in the air and breakdown of the ground based radar net.
Nightfighter planes were converted to this role: radar and radar antennas were removed, sometimes additional guns installed, bomb bays and/or wing hardpoints refittet, as well as some minor system changes. Of course, the painting scheme was retained.

This specific G6 may be one of those, for i agree with squire that the plane seems to have been captured by the allies near/at the end of war.

storch · « **Reply #26 on:** January 18, 2006, 05:21:39 PM »

I'll look up my darn Ju88 book and post it as a source. It still doesn't mean I'm right just that I read it. Now I'm not sure if it was a 110G4 or a Ju88G4 that I read about though.

Krusty · « **Reply #27 on:** January 18, 2006, 05:36:17 PM »

I don't think they saw much (if any) daylight service storch, I think you read about 110s and 410s.

Still, it would be a novel plane to fly, eh?

storch · « **Reply #28 on:** January 18, 2006, 05:42:31 PM »

if they implement TOD it sure would be. I would use it hit buffs in the MA all day long as well.

Krusty · « **Reply #29 on:** January 18, 2006, 05:47:04 PM »

Hehehe, I was doing a BOB setup once where some dweeb found a glitch and upped a N1K2, as an allied pilot, and came after my Ju88 formation. I dropped my bombs, lost my drones in the ensuing dogfight, but I outflew that N1K2 (lmao) and used all my forward gun's ammo to kill his oil then his eng. He ended up diving away and ditching at the city I just bombed, the lucky bugger. I made it back but sans kill