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storch

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why no Ju88G?
« on: January 18, 2006, 09:21:09 AM »
this heavy fighter would add more dimension and see considerable use in AH. especially in the upcoming TOD and specialty arenas such as AvA and SEA
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why no Ju88G?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2006, 09:26:09 AM »
What could it do? Speed, armament?
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2006, 10:05:21 AM »
It could do a little over 400mph and had a good aray of cannons in the nose.  It was probably Germany's best night fighter that saw service in any significant numbers.

I'd like to see it added as well.
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storch

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2006, 10:41:57 AM »
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What could it do? Speed, armament?
speed was around 360mph/580kph @ 9600m  IIRC armament depended on specific model but generally 5 or 6 20mm MG151 forward firing with 400rpg 2 20mm MGFF schrage musik with 2 60 rd drums but were able to reloaded in flight  and 2 13mmMG with 1000 rds for the tailgunner.  they were fast and hard hitting especially when the lichtenstien short range radar was omitted. what karnak said for speed without the radar on board
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2006, 10:51:19 AM »
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It could do a little over 400mph and had a good aray of cannons in the nose.  It was probably Germany's best night fighter that saw service in any significant numbers.

I'd like to see it added as well.
they were used extensively against the american bombers during daylight attack as well.  the tactic was for 109s/190s to draw off the escorts and the Ju88s/Me410s/Bf110s would attack from high HO in slash attacks
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2006, 11:10:29 AM »
I think you mean the Ju-88C-6. Solid nose "heavy fighter" varient for day and night work. It did a wide array of missions.  It did have a night fighter version as well, but many were day fighters.

Ju-88G was used almost exclusively as a night fighter against the RAF, and was radar equipped, very specialist, and narrow in its mission.

As to the Ju-88C-6, I saw "yes" add it it. Kinda like a "LW A-20G" of sorts. Its been asked for before as I recollect. Cool plane.
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2006, 12:18:32 PM »
Sounds like a good option for a late LW bomber.

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2006, 12:29:17 PM »
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Sounds like a good option for a late LW bomber.

Its not a bomber.  Its a fighter.
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2006, 12:35:14 PM »
C model had 3x 7mm and 3x MG151/20s in the solid nose (asymmetrical, pilot on one side, most of the guns on the other).

I'd like to see either. It's an amazingly LARGE target, but it's somewhat nimble and can take a beating. I wonder if the C/G climbed any better than the A-4 we have in AH now.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2006, 12:45:06 PM »
both the C and the G variants were used in night and heavy day fighter configuration IIRC the most common day bomber interceptor was the G4.  I could be mistaken though.
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2006, 01:21:25 PM »
A few generic facts from a Gunston book (he's not always right but seems to get it right a lot of the time)

C-6b top speed: 300mph
G-7b (no DTs or flame dampers -- this means daytime use??) top speed: 402mph

Initial Climbs:
A-4 (for comparison): 1312 fpm
C-6b: "About" 985 fpm
G-7b: 1640 fpm

Arms:
C-6b: 3x 20mm MG/FF (blech!! worse than I thought) and 3x MG17s firing forward with 2 20mm Schrage musik
G-7b: Ventral fairing with 4x MG151/20 (200rpg) and 2x Schrage musik and rear upper guns listed as MG131s (no ventral on the C/G)
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2006, 01:25:16 PM »
plz model this plane.

step up the ju87 too.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2006, 01:51:16 PM »
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C-6b top speed: 300mph
C-6b: "About" 985 fpm
C-6b: 3x 20mm MG/FF (blech!! worse than I thought)

Those are the reasons I always advocate the Ju88G-7b and not the Ju88C-6b.  Particularly the bolded part.
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2006, 01:54:03 PM »
Wise man :)
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2006, 02:21:32 PM »
There are two versions of the Ju88C-6, one of them has the night fighter radar antenna, so be carefull when quoting speed and climb. It made a sizeable dip into its performance. The day fighter would have been faster and would have had a better climb. I have 310mph for it but I dont know what exact varient. My book says it went an extra 20mph without the forward gondola as well, so that makes it 330mph "clean".

Nose armament (FF) was 3 x 7.92mm, 1 x 20mm MG-FF and 1 x 20mm MG151/20. Could carry 1100 lbs of bombs.

As for the Ju-88G, I can find nothing on it that indicated day fighter use. Looks like they all went to NJG units. They had no a-g ord of any kind, and were all radar equipped.

Some model pics for interest that I found on the C-6:

http://hsgalleries.com/ju88c6fo_1.htm
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