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Offline ghi

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« on: January 24, 2006, 12:58:05 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2006, 01:40:16 PM »
I remember seeing that on the History Channel too.  Great clip

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2006, 02:10:38 PM »
that has to be the 20mm they are firing correct ? Only posting this because in the video they say machine gun

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2006, 02:45:17 PM »
Yup, that is a M2 20mm cannon, or Hispano Mk II if you're British.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2006, 02:47:36 PM »
thought so, was wondering why the guys said machine gun, I was like wow if thats a .50 cal LOL

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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2006, 04:30:49 PM »
Don't forget that 50gal drums are made of steel (last I heard) and combat aircraft are only made of paper-thin aluminum!

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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2006, 04:36:23 PM »
yeah especially the japanese planes, wooden structures, covered in paper, no self sealing fuel tanks, what a combo... thats what i want in an airplane, just a big fireball waiting to happen LOL

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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2006, 05:40:43 PM »
I dont know if id want to squeeze off 60 year old ammo, wonder how much power would be lost by that old  ammo sitting below ice? 38

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2006, 06:24:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Iceman24
yeah especially the japanese planes, wooden structures, covered in paper, no self sealing fuel tanks, what a combo... thats what i want in an airplane, just a big fireball waiting to happen LOL

I hope you're being sarcastic and are not actually that ignorant.  Can't quite tell.  Hopefully my sarcasm meter is broken.
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2006, 08:20:06 PM »
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yeah especially the japanese planes, wooden structures, covered in paper, no self sealing fuel tanks, what a combo... thats what i want in an airplane, just a big fireball waiting to happen LOL



was it construction paper?  lol

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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2006, 10:11:59 PM »
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I dont know if id want to squeeze off 60 year old ammo, wonder how much power would be lost by that old  ammo sitting below ice? 38


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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2006, 10:28:33 PM »
Lets see, shells hermeticly sealed in a block of ice for 60 years.
Beats the heck out of fluctuating temps, wet, then dry, etc.

If you must use old ammo, thats the stuff I want!

biggest thing I'd be worried about is the primers getting a bit unstable.
Might not want to be dropping them.

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2006, 11:06:16 PM »
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Originally posted by Krusty
Don't forget that 50gal drums are made of steel (last I heard) and combat aircraft are only made of paper-thin aluminum!


It was a steel drum, 16 / 18 guage if I am correct....

It also had about 15 gals of gas in it.  Guys on site added it.

Kinda defeats your sarcasm now doesn't it.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2006, 11:34:23 PM »
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It was a steel drum, 16 / 18 guage if I am correct....

It also had about 15 gals of gas in it.  Guys on site added it.

Kinda defeats your sarcasm now doesn't it.

I think you misread Krusty.  I think he was saying "It did that much damage to a steel drum.  Imagine what it would do to a fragile Aluminium structure!"
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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2006, 12:37:42 AM »
er......were they expecting a 20mm explosive round to make a nice neat entry and exit hole?


that is assuming i am correct in thinking they were explosive rounds being fired.


this is the perfect example to show the next person who complains about a 'ping-splat-tower' death.


one of these even enters the cockpit area and explodes you are in serious trouble. I think i remember a report i read about a single 20mm round from a 109 hitting a B17, tearing a hole the size of a small car in the skin, and shredding the navigator to within an inch of his life.


and that was a single shot, imagine being hit by this on full auto for a 2 second burst.


if anything our damage model is too weak for 20mm and 30mm hits.




although, saying that, as mentioned, a thin aluminium skin may just let the round pass through and not cause such an impact.



whatever the case, cool vid, thanks for posting.
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