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Offline JimBear

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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2006, 02:26:07 PM »
no, you were just being an arse
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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2006, 02:37:02 PM »
So are we pro democracy or not? We've already said we wouldn't recognize a Hamas govt.  Kinda hypocritical ain't it?


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The United States warned the Palestinians on Monday that inclusion of the militant group Hamas in any new government could affect US-backed efforts to establish an independent Palestinian state.
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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2006, 02:46:45 PM »
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So are we pro democracy or not? We've already said we wouldn't recognize a Hamas govt.  Kinda hypocritical ain't it?


If they stick to the peace process, we will support them

If they want to wipe Israel off the map as they have up until last night anyway, we will not

but you knew that...
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2006, 03:08:00 PM »
Hamas never really wanted to take the helm of government, and they have said so since they won the election.  

Even though Hamas has won, they have said that they want only a subordinate role in government.... possibly so that they can continue to do their dirty work without the national government being held accountable.
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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2006, 04:34:38 PM »
It's actually the Palestinian authority that lost the election more than the Hamas has won it.

The palestinian public has voted against the Tunisia-PLO leadership that make the heads of the Palestinian authority. Palestine-PLO leaders were pushed aside by the Tunisia-PLO gang (who were Arafat people that made the Oslo agreements and in practice got their power from Israel). The Palestine-PLO leader is Maruan Barguti who serves time in the Israeli prison for sending terrorist attacks.

I completly understand their vote. The problem is that now they are stuck with a religeous leadership that the basic ideas of democracy are not dear to them. Hopefully this will remove the old Tunis bunch and allow the local leaders to emerge. Maybe even Barguti will somehow be released in the near future. Till then, if at all, who knows what will happen.

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2006, 04:42:29 PM »
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So what planes will Hamas add to Palestine's air force



a AA 767?
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2006, 05:11:56 PM »
Actually, Hamas is popular with the people because their politicians run on a platform of smaller govt. with less waste and rooting out corruption.  Fatah was about as rotten as an old lightning-blasted tree and the people were tired of it.  Hamas has held offices at the local levels for some time now, and have been slowly replacing other parties.  They have done a remarkably good job of it too.  The majority of the offices in the city of Bethlehem and several in Jerusalem are held by Hamas politicians.  I say see what they do.  They may bluster for a bit about Israel, but if they really have the best interests of their people at  heart, they'll put up their guns.
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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2006, 05:31:54 PM »
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So what planes will Hamas add to Palestine's air force



a AA 767?



Looks like Gaza strip will be a nice little air port :)

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2006, 06:10:06 PM »
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So are we pro democracy or not? We've already said we wouldn't recognize a Hamas govt.  Kinda hypocritical ain't it?


Kind of silly isn't it. Democracy is a means to a government, if Germany elected a new Nazi party with a "Kill all jews" and Destroy France again policy would you be ready to recognize it because it was elected? No there are responsibilties that go with Democracy. You are responsible for the Government you elect. The Palistinians (Even though Palistine never really existed) are responsible for electing a terrorist group that civilized nations had previously warned would not be recognized.
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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2006, 06:13:12 PM »
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Actually, Hamas is popular with the people because their politicians run on a platform of smaller govt. with less waste and rooting out corruption.  Fatah was about as rotten as an old lightning-blasted tree and the people were tired of it.  Hamas has held offices at the local levels for some time now, and have been slowly replacing other parties.  They have done a remarkably good job of it too.  The majority of the offices in the city of Bethlehem and several in Jerusalem are held by Hamas politicians.  I say see what they do.  They may bluster for a bit about Israel, but if they really have the best interests of their people at  heart, they'll put up their guns.


Dude....don't smoke it all, I may get a chance to get over there someday.
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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2006, 07:02:22 AM »
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So are we pro democracy or not? We've already said we wouldn't recognize a Hamas govt. Kinda hypocritical ain't it?


MT, careful, your anti-Bush sickness seems to be clouding your thought process again...

We are pro Democracy.  We support free and fair elections.  We simply do not support or recognise the winner in this case, which happens to be a terrorist organization.
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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2006, 07:20:31 AM »
Yeah... you are allowed to vote, but ONLY if you vote for the ones we like.

True democracy.
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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2006, 07:26:30 AM »
I guess we are not allowed to have opinions on the outcome of elections.
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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2006, 07:39:19 AM »
I have to side with the pinheads and euros on this one.  we have no right to impose our will on the palestinians with regard to their national/tribal elections. now if we were to somehow discover WMDs well then we could pave them over or at least provide others with the means to do so.  I'm quite sure the israelis are very capable of holding their own and it seems like a great opportunity for them to aquire more advanced weaponry from us.  it looks like a win-win to me.  if hamas leaders shape up and behave then they cease to be a terrorist organization.  this will undoubtedly anger some younger palestinians and a new terror organization will sprout and they will be a thorn in hamas' side as hamas was to fatah the other terrorist organization cum palestinian government. It's amazing how biblical prophecy manifests God's truth in detail time and again.
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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2006, 07:44:20 AM »
We are not required to support terrorism.  All Hamas need do to be recognised and welcomed into the global discourse is to renounce terrorism.  That isn't difficult.  Is it?
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