Twice Victimized

[Airscrew]

you guys must still be reading?

that slight hissing sound I hear must be all the air running out of your argument...

[midnight Target]

And still nothing about EC.

shrug.

[Silat]

Originally posted by weaselsan
And the only place a rape victim can get information is from the oval office in washington. Damn ....no wonder you Liberals are a little light on current events. Try the rape crisis center. It's in the phone book, front pages.

Oh! wait a minute...I get it....this is about evil Christians interfering some way in the right of a women to have sex with men she don't want to have a child with and then sticking a device through it's head before it's born. I bet I'm right ...heh.

W if you actually knew about this issue then we could discuss it. Many have quit their gov posts over it. The admin has gone out of its way to either block the drug and or make sure no one can hear about it.
This pill doesnt stick anything thru a babies head..
Hysterical republicans:(

[Silat]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Wrong, I agree with you on, this Lew do not assume anything. I was was poking a little fun on the large number of locked threads for trolling.


I am not a Republican. If you bother to read anything I have posted for about a year I am digusted with both parties. Neither cares about you and I or this Country and if you still think the dems do well, you are wrong.

GTO I know. I was joking back at you bro:)

[Silat]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Silat, how many of your bush bashing threads have been locked lately?

Hmmmm....so he issues the FIRST EVER national protocal, and he's now a bad person because he is the elected leader of the executive made this based on his personal convictions and those that voted for him??????

I bet if he cured cancer you'd still find some way to demonize him for it.

He is supposed to care about all of us Guns. Not just the religious right. I am amazed that you cant see that...
Hysterical Reps make me sad...

[Airscrew]

How difficult is it understand?  The Justice Department is concerned about forensics and the gathering of evidence to prosecute rape cases.   The Justice Department doesn't give a rats prettythang about how the victim deals with the after effects of the rape.   This information is to give care givers, medical personnel, and local law enforcement guideance on collecting evidence while remaining "sensitive to the victims needs"

It is not a protocol written to provide guideance on health care and repoductive choices. period.

Like  weaselsan said,  they can contact the Rape Crisis Center, and as Gunthr pointed out,  every single rape victim will be informed of her options at treatment.  Every. Single. Victim.

[fartwinkle]

If women stayed at home and raised there babies they would not be out there to get raped! dont you see its the womens fault i tell you:rolleyes:

[Airscrew]

It would appear they have been arguing about this for awhile

http://www.house.gov/maloney/press/109th/20050310protocol.htm

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Silat
GTO I know. I was joking back at you bro:)

Oh well that went right over my head then lol!:D

[Airscrew]

For two weeks, Justice officials were unavailable to talk about the new 141-page protocol, published in September. But in an e-mail, department spokesman Eric Holland reiterrated points made in the document.

"The goals of the protocol are to ensure that all victims, regardless of differences in background or location of service, receive the same high quality medical and forensic exam, while being treated with respect and compassion, and to improve prosecution of sexual assault cases through the appropriate collection of evidence,'' he wrote. "The protocol is not intended to supercede the many state, local, and tribal protocols that are currently in practice.''


http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?display=rednews/2004/12/31/build/nation/80-rape-victims.inc

[john9001]

""the federal govt does not do enough""


""the federal govt does too much""



make up your mind.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Silat
He is supposed to care about all of us Guns. Not just the religious right. I am amazed that you cant see that...
Hysterical Reps make me sad...

So he cares about us enough to be the very first executive to create a national protacol but his personal convictions don't allow him to introduce those kinds of drugs.  Hmmm......yes I see what an evil man he truly is.


From the article:

, then it is up to the states to ensure that rape victims can prevent pregnancy following an assault by giving clear guidelines to caregivers.

How dare he give them states rights to decide locally what's best for the state on what can be a contraversial topic.  

Tsk Tsk Tsk.

Or rather

Spin spin spin

What did Clinton's national protocal include?  Oh yea that's right he didn't make one.....nore did Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, or any of the other presidents before them.  THOSE BASTARDS!

[Dago]

Originally posted by john9001
""the federal govt does not do enough""


""the federal govt does too much""



make up your mind.

"Bush is the devil"

"Bush is Hitler"

"Bush is the anti-Christ"


Make up your mind.

[Flit]

Originally posted by Airscrew
Silat or MT, did either of you read this protocol?

It would appear that none of these people read it either,..
Jennifer Nevins,sexual assault groups, legislative officials, medical groups, women’s health advocates and civil liberties groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union,

The Justice Department is concerned about the collection of evidence not reproduction

http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles1/ovw/206554.pdf


Read the title.    
A National Protocol for Sexual Assault Medical
Forensic Examinations Adults/Adolescents

Nope, doesnt say anything about "treating sexual assault victims"

Acknowledgment maybe?
"Many individuals contributed their skills and expertise to the development of this protocol. Special
appreciation goes to Kristin Littel, who served as the primary writer and researcher for the protocol. We
would also like to thank the Office for Victims of Crime for initiating this project and for providing feedback
and guidance throughout the drafting process. We are grateful to all of the women and men who gave their
time and energy to attend the focus groups, participate in the conference calls, and review numerous drafts
of the protocol; their efforts greatly enhanced the final product."

Nothing about G.W. in there....

This first National Protocol for Sexual Assault Medical Forensic
Examinations provides detailed guidelines for criminal justice and health care practitioners in responding to
the immediate needs of sexual assault victims. We know that effective collection of evidence is of paramount
importance to successfully prosecuting sex offenders. Just as critical is performing sexual assault forensic
exams in a sensitive, dignified, and victim-centered manner. For individuals who experience this horrendous
crime, having a positive experience with the criminal justice and health care systems can contribute greatly
to their overall healing.

This document is intended only to improve the criminal justice system’s response to victims of
sexual assault and the sexual assault forensic examination process and does not create a right or
benefit, substantive or procedural, of any party.

Pregnancy risk evaluation and care: Female patients may fear becoming pregnant as a result of an
assault. Health care providers must address this issue according to facility and jurisdictional policy. (SEE
PAGE 111)
Discuss the probability of pregnancy with patients.
Administer a baseline pregnancy test for all patients with reproductive capability.
Discuss treatment options with patients, including reproductive health services.

  Y'all do see the two sentences before it says see page 111. right ?

[Silat]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
So he cares about us enough to be the very first executive to create a national protacol but his personal convictions don't allow him to introduce those kinds of drugs.  Hmmm......yes I see what an evil man he truly is.


From the article:

How dare he give them states rights to decide locally what's best for the state on what can be a contraversial topic.  

Tsk Tsk Tsk.

Or rather

Spin spin spin

What did Clinton's national protocal include?  Oh yea that's right he didn't make one.....nore did Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, or any of the other presidents before them.  THOSE BASTARDS!

First response of the Hysterical Rep is its Clintons fault...
And Guns that is correct he doesnt get to decide wht drugs are available to us.. No matter what his conviction.. He can ask for a law if he desires...