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Offline lasersailor184

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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2006, 09:21:32 PM »
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W this is about leaving out information because of the pull of the religious right.


I'm going to have to also say that Bush is leaving this decision to the States.
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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2006, 09:31:15 PM »
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First response of the Hysterical Rep is its Clintons fault...


and the first response of a delusional demo is to blame Bush..:p

what do you guys wear special glasses when you read these posts??:cool:
Where does Gun Say its Clinton's fault,....?

What did Clinton's national protocal include? Oh yea that's right he didn't make one.....nore did Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, or any of the other presidents before them. THOSE BASTARDS!

Of course Clinton probably has the necessary experience to write a Protocol for Victims ;)

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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2006, 10:54:03 PM »
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Of course Clinton probably has the necessary experience to write a Protocol for Victims ;)


NICE!

I'm afraid Silat suffers from BDS just like many others in this great nation.  It's ok, he's still a good person deep down inside.

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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2006, 11:04:16 PM »
I am SO :confused: :confused: .

What does this MEAN?

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Pregnancy risk evaluation and care: Female patients may fear becoming pregnant as a result of an assault. Health care providers must address this issue according to facility and jurisdictional policy. (SEE
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Does this mean health care providers must address this issue according to facility and jurisdictional policy.

Or does it mean Health care providers must address this issue according to facility and jurisdictional policy.

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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2006, 11:45:29 PM »
Y'all have an unhealthy uterus fixation

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« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2006, 08:28:10 AM »
Ok... does anyone know if there is even a morning after pill that has passed the food and drug admins testing and is certified safe for use in the U.S.?

That is one thing... another is..  Why should the government tell anyone about any product?   If the person used it and was harmed... would not the government be liable?  seems irresponsible to me.  

Are there not doctors involved?  Are we saying that there is a procedure that we want to force doctors to use?

And... why is the government not telling her how to get a concealled carry permit for a handgun?  

The "morning after" pill is just one way of treating a rape victim but does nothing at all about preventing rape... nothing... Concealled carry permits are prevention of not only unwanted pregnancies but of a violent assault and of possible disease.

Does the morning after pill negate the violent assault or do anything for the possible STD's ?

Only a whinie liberal with an agenda would want to force doctors to not make their own decisions or not issue concealed carry permits.

one of the sillyest whines I have heard from you to date silat... and that is saying a lot.

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« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2006, 01:08:29 PM »
See Rule #5
« Last Edit: January 30, 2006, 07:36:37 AM by Skuzzy »
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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2006, 01:49:40 PM »
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Very silly response laz. Try reading about wht this admin has done to sink the use of this drug in the us before you make these kind of hysterical republican comments..


Silat, your the delusional demo conspiracy theorist,  ;)  please post your evidence of the conspiracy.

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« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2006, 02:19:38 PM »
this is what I can find on EC pills
basically from what I can see,  Plan B was available by prescription only, and the fight with the FDA is about making Plan B available as a OTC drug, (Like aspirin)

I sure dont see any conspiracy here, just the usual burocratic red tap that has always been the FDA


http://ec.princeton.edu/info/ecp.html

There are two types of emergency contraceptive pills ("morning after pills"). One type uses hormones that are the same type and dose as hormones used in some kinds of ordinary birth control pills. These hormones are called estrogen and progestin (combined ECPs). In many countries (but not the United States), these pills are especially packaged and labeled for emergency use. But several other brands packaged for ongoing contraception can be used as well. About 50% of women who use this type get nauseated and 20% vomit. Use of this pill cuts the chance of pregnancy by 75%. This statement does not mean that 25% of women using ECPs will become pregnant. Rather, if 100 women had unprotected intercourse once during the second or third week of their cycle, about 8 would become pregnant; following treatment with ECPs, only 2 would become pregnant: a 75% reduction.

The other type of emergency contraceptive pill contains only the hormone called progestin (progestin-only ECPs). In many countries this type is specially packaged and labeled for use for emergency contraception; the brand name in the United States is Plan B. It is more effective than the first type, and the risk of nausea and vomiting is also lower. If the same 100 women used Plan B, only 1 would get pregnant: an 89% reduction.


In many countries, but not the United States, emergency contraceptive pills ("morning after pills") are available from a pharmacy without a prescription.
{I'm not female so I cant say for sure, but I think all birth control pills require a prescription (no conspiracy here)}

 For the United States, we maintain a directory of providers who have informed our office that they are willing to provide information about and prescribe emergency contraceptives.  (available, just ask for a prescription)


from Mother Jones,  http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2005/11/planb_timeline.html

I read the timeline here and there is alot stuff but I think you have to be a delusional demo to see a conspiracy :)

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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2006, 02:32:27 PM »
silat... I quoted no one... I simply know that the pill is not deemed safe yet by the FDA.  If you want to abolish the FDA I am with ya but....

I see the pill as being either.... simply an overdose of normal birth control pills in which case anyone could do it themselves or.... some other type that even in places it is legal is labeled "emergency"..

Why "emergency"?  if it is so safe... why not just take em whenever you need em (assuming you are not with a normal partner and have sex infrequently) ?

So.... are they safe or not?  are they approved or not?   Does the FDA operate by guidelines or does the evil booooosh tell them what to do?

also... if abortions are so safe and good for people.... why take a chance on some uncertified drug when you may not even need it?  Why not wait to see if you are pregnant and then get a simple abortion?

I am not against a morning after pill.   Make sure it is safe and then if it is completely safe.... make it over the counter... if not completely safe for every woman... make it a perscription product...

Do not make it a law that doctors have to push it on people or even offer the choice unless asked.

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« Last Edit: January 27, 2006, 02:35:46 PM by lazs2 »

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« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2006, 02:52:26 PM »
Just thought I'd add my 2 cents worth by Rule #4'ing and Rule #5'ing myself. :confused:  Figured if I don't have victim mentality, I might as well join them, consider me twice victimized.

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« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2006, 05:53:45 PM »
See Rule #4
« Last Edit: January 30, 2006, 07:37:52 AM by Skuzzy »
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« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2006, 06:12:05 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
silat... I quoted no one... I simply know that the pill is not deemed safe yet by the FDA.  If you want to abolish the FDA I am with ya but....

I see the pill as being either.... simply an overdose of normal birth control pills in which case anyone could do it themselves or.... some other type that even in places it is legal is labeled "emergency"..

Why "emergency"?  if it is so safe... why not just take em whenever you need em (assuming you are not with a normal partner and have sex infrequently) ?

So.... are they safe or not?  are they approved or not?   Does the FDA operate by guidelines or does the evil booooosh tell them what to do?

also... if abortions are so safe and good for people.... why take a chance on some uncertified drug when you may not even need it?  Why not wait to see if you are pregnant and then get a simple abortion?

I am not against a morning after pill.   Make sure it is safe and then if it is completely safe.... make it over the counter... if not completely safe for every woman... make it a perscription product...

Do not make it a law that doctors have to push it on people or even offer the choice unless asked.

lazs



Most women dont know about it nor about the proper dosage. You should contact your dr.

Rape victims are not thinking clearly after being traumatized.

They need all their options told to them without prejudice..

Yes a large dose of estrogen etc will do it but you need to talk to a doctor and not do self medicating. There can be side affects.

Its not nor never will be a law. But the option should be there and explained.

This admin is trying to hide or prevent its availability and keep it from being given to women if they want it.

A pill that you can take to stop ovulation and fertilization is safer than a surgical type procedure. This pill does not terminate pregnancy. Nor does it stop a egg that is fertilized from being implanted. It only stops ovulation and fertilization.
So it isnt an abortion.

Therefore any religious objections do not apply because nothing is being killed.  This would be akin to saying abstinence is killing potential life.

But they do. Go figure.

Read the following if you dont believe this admin/religious right is trying to take a womens right to privacy and choice away..........

The Assault on Birth Control and Family Planning Programs, October 2003 - Executive Summary

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/birthcontrol/report-031030-birth-control.xml
« Last Edit: January 27, 2006, 06:22:46 PM by Silat »
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« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2006, 06:26:55 PM »
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Silat, how many of your bush bashing threads have been locked lately?

Hmmmm....so he issues the FIRST EVER national protocal, and he's now a bad person because he is the elected leader of the executive made this based on his personal convictions and those that voted for him??????

I bet if he cured cancer you'd still find some way to demonize him for it.



Gun you cant have it both ways.
This admin promotes anti condom use in the third world. THat is promoting only 1 choice. They should be promoting all the choices to stop unwanted pregnancy.
If you and they are to be consistent then you and they shouldnt be promoting anything:)
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"Conservatism offers no redress for the present, and makes no preparation for the future." B. Disraeli
"All that serves labor serves the nation. All that harms labor is treason."

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« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2006, 07:58:33 PM »
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Gun you cant have it both ways.
This admin promotes anti condom use in the third world. THat is promoting only 1 choice. They should be promoting all the choices to stop unwanted pregnancy.
If you and they are to be consistent then you and they shouldnt be promoting anything:)


Silat my freind.  Promoting abstinence is not allways a bad thing.  Some people are hell bent on their ideology and weather you respect that or not it's what they do.  To say they don't care about rape victoms (wich is a seperat issue from condom use) is flat out inflamatory when they are the first ones to creat policy about said victoms and leave it up to the states to decide on contraversial topics.  

Again BDS.  Get yourself checked out.   ;)