Bottom dollar: real reason behind heated gun issue in USA

[leonid]

ProGun(conservative): Basically just like guns a lot, whether that means shooting, hunting, or collecting.

AntiGun(liberal): Intense dislike for the kind of people that enjoy owning, and using guns.

If anyone says otherwise, they're just kidding themselves, or at the very least merely justifying these two very basic - and real - reasons.

[AKDejaVu]

WOW! Who would have guessed that all of the gun/antigun arguments on this bbs could be dismissed with two single sentance descriptions?!

Not me.

AKDejaVu

[leonid]

Be sarcastic all you like, Dejavu.  It's still the truth  

[AKDejaVu]

Ermm.. you need to look up the definition of "truth"...  then look up the definition of "subjective"... then look up the definition of "obtuse".

AKDejaVu

[SOB]

I own two handguns...one collectible, one for shootin'.  I inherited them both recently, and they've both been sitting in my closet doing nothing.  I may take a class to learn how to handle them, and take one to a shooting range sometime, but I can't imagine doing it as a regular hobby.  As for hunting, I don't have anything against someone going out and shooting a deer for meat, but I wouldn't be caught dead shooting an animal...I'd have a tough time doing that.  I'm Pro Gun.

My mother wouldn't go near a gun...she'd just plain be afraid of the thing.  She's Pro Gun.

Your entire post was just opinion and argumentative (the last sentance added that)...I kind of liked it, but you're broad generalization is wrong  


SOB

[StSanta]

So you're saying most pro gunners are pro gunners because of their intense love and devotion to the American constitution?

I think leonid has the overall point pretty well - we support/fight that which appeals/appalls (to) us. That the gun debate is a bit more complicated is also true  .

But at least some of the people involved in the debate are motivated by what leonid described  .



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"I am the light at the end of your sorry little tunnel." - A. Eldricht

[leonid]

Thank you, StSanta.  Finally, a man of reason.

And people, I seriously believe that when you get rid of all the hype, and legal issues what's left are those two points of view.  One is based on self interest, and the other on bigotry.  And while I may be wrong to think that the only opinions concerning the gun issue are of the above, it's probably much closer to the truth to say that what keeps people from any sort of common ground over guns are generally derived from the above two statements.

Most people are driven by very simple things that when analyzed are usually less than flattering.  It takes intellect's ability to justify or obfuscate to make our opinions feel more right, and therefore valid.

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[Toad]

Note that in Leonid's example one group simply enjoys a basically private personal experience. The other group has a negative reaction to someone else enjoying something.

(I do not necessarily agree with the hypothesis itself or the stereotypes with which it was presented.   )

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[leonid]

Hehe.  Toad, what was the whole point of your post, then???

 

[Ripsnort]

As stated above, I think its a much more complicated issue, but I do agree that your statement may be part of the whole ball of wax.

[Eagler]

ProGun(conservative): Like the smell of gunpowder.

AntiGun(liberal): dislike the smell of gunpowder.

Eagler

[MrBill]

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ProGun(conservative): Basically just like guns a lot, whether that means shooting, hunting, or collecting.

AntiGun(liberal): Intense dislike for the kind of people that enjoy owning, and using guns.
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Excellent paraphrase! methinks someone watched last nights episode of "West Wing"

  By the way I really like the show even though it is "almost" 100% bleeding heart liberal in it's content

  Did you catch the episode where Bartlet trashed the conservative talk show host with the biblical passages?

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[Karnak]

I'm liberal.  I'm not anti-gun.  

I've considered buying one several times, but just have not been able to justify it.

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Shall be my brother

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-Karnak

[AKDejaVu]

I can't believe the original post is being portrayed as anything but an overly simplistic more inacurate than not generalization.

I own guns, and I know alot of people that own guns.  SOME of those people I am not comfortable with having guns, others I am completely fine with it.  Strange, but I usually feel the same way about them behind the wheel of a car.

Most anti-gun mentality is based upon the fact that guns will eventually get into the wrong hands.  Its guns in the hands of people that DON'T fit into the first category that have a tendancy to fuel the second category.

Category one people: Think about how often you used your gun to rob a liquor store.  Think about how often you used your shotgun to drive by  someone's house and shoot them while they were out front.  Think about how often you've started firing at random targets in a crowd.  Now think about who the anti-gun people really dislike.

AKDejaVu

[-towd_]

not a flame but i am a hard core liberal and a nra cerified instructor ( didnt join the nra as i dissagree with almost all their political positions. ) firearmes are a unremovable fact in the u.s.a. i am for reason to be used in firearmes but have a inate distrust of  our or anyone elses government controling firearms dont know the answer really dont think there is one .
but noone can have mine.
 i like the conservatives am deadly serious about that one. ( and i wont register them either )