"Adam and Eve" as a US Standard ?

[Saintaw]

Heard some news here that Bush was wanting to (dunno how to spell this right!) "institute Genesism in Shool" ... (Read, Kids will be taught the "Adam and Eve" story instead of Scientific view that is taught today)...

This has to ba a troll ! U guys goin backwards in History ?

Saw

[Mighty1]

Not true! He may of said he thinks they should but it will never happen.

[-towd_]

hell did he even pass science in grade school? it will never happen because the great majority of americans think it is wrong , just like his presidency

[LJK Raubvogel]

 

Originally posted by -towd_:
hell did he even pass science in grade school? it will never happen because the great majority of americans think it is wrong , just like his presidency

Thank you for speaking on behalf of the "great majority of Americans" lol. I guess you just took a nationwide poll on this?  

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[-towd_]

no just the election returns bout 400,000 more for gore . that is why bush is called a unpopular president i.e. his fraudulency
the last rebublican president for the melenium he keeps up the moral majority toejame and ill be happy   send that man a gram of coke you can buy it from his father

[Swoop]

Anyone in GB check out Panorama this week (may even be tonight).  The episode is called "the accidental president".    So far the adverts for it have all been classic Bush quotes like "more and more of our imports are coming from abroad" and my personal favorite "the budget is very complicated and full of numbers".

Swoop

[miko2d]

 

Originally posted by -towd_:
hell did he even pass science in grade school? it will never happen because the great majority of americans think it is wrong , just like his presidency

 "Great majority"? Last time I checked he was trailing in popular vote by a fraction of a percent.

 If you were interested in his grades and SAT scores, you could have checked the websites during the election - they had all the data on both candidates. While Bush'es SAT was slightly lower, his grades were same or higher then Gore's.

 For someone who tries to sound condescending to the president of the USA you are way too ignorant.
 
 As for scientifuc view and method, we do not want to use it for racial, sociological, ecological many other areas. We prefer to use wishfull thinking instead. And those we use to shape our future.
 In view of that why would I care if some people think we were created from clay rather then evolved from monkeys? It's not like it's  goind to change the past...

miko

[-towd_]

ok miko it goes like this if you believe one totaly silly story as absolute truth you probly follow they rest of the crapola that is part of the dogma . if you believe that dogma and are in a position of power you are gonna create huge problems because you are out of touch with reality. i.e. black people are cused by god cause their skin is black and many many more .

he endorses these views i believe the majority of americans do not mayby im wrong . but im not  

[miko2d]

 

Originally posted by Swoop:
So far the adverts for it have all been classic Bush quotes like "more and more of our imports are coming from abroad"

 Well, if you hear it as:
"more and more of our imports are coming from abroad" it sounds kind of stupid.
 But if you hear it as:
"more and more of our imports are coming from abroad" - "our" sounds a bit redundant.
 If you admit that a person usually speaks not as good as he writes (-towd_ a rare exception) and assume that he just used "our" there "the" would do fine:

"more and more of the imports are coming from abroad" - that sounds perfectly correct.
 Especially if it is not a statement (as such is makes little sence even if correct) but a preface to some point:

"more and more of the imports are coming from abroad and that creates a dangerous trade disbalance and hurts domestic production" or whatever he actually said - that sounds perfectly reasonable.

 If you want to hear really funny quotes used out of context check Lay Leno's "interviews" - he asks questions and then uses recorded statements. they are hilarious. Of course most people understand the joke...

miko

[-duma-]

Bah! How dare you question British journalism, miko? Best in the world!   More sensational stories than anyone else...  

[Saintaw]

Miko2d, Sorry, but I have to Stronly Dissagree with that ! Raising poeple with  Religious belief INSTEAD of actual facts... Wow, that sounds like a big allarm bell in my Book.

Don't get me wrong, poeple can believe in what they want, it's their business not mine (yes, I am atheist, no I am not an "anty religion" type of guy.). but making it a NATIONAL law is something different...

Oh, and to Towd & familly, plz go highjack someone else's...  

Saw


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[miko2d]

 

Originally posted by -towd_:
ok miko it goes like this if you believe one totaly silly story as absolute truth you probly follow they rest of the crapola that is part of the dogma . if you believe that dogma and are in a position of power you are gonna create huge problems because you are out of touch with reality. i.e. black people are cused by god cause their skin is black and many many more .

he endorses these views i believe the majority of americans do not mayby im wrong . but im not  

 I do not like it but that's religion for you. USA is a christian country and most population are christians of some kind and vote accordingly. At least we can leave the country if we do not like it. I know many christians and while I do no agree with their views, I know where I stand with them because their views are mostly consistent.

 What about the (mostly liberal) atheist people who believe that despite evolving through different paths and having very different shape, form and biology, the races are somehow miraculously equall in intelligence and other capabilities? And build the policies around it which lead to discrimination?
 Or forego the economic studies and force taxpayers' money to be spent on feel-good programs rather then on programs with most bang for the buck?

 More men dies from prostate cancer then women from the breast cancer but do you see much campaigning for the former? No surprise that there is 12 times more money spent on BC research...

 What about electric/clean cars that will use electricity/hydrogen produced by plants burning the same fossil fuels? Add huge toxic short-lived batteries and their manufacture, considerable electricity losses during transfer, construction expences (in fuel as well as materials) and you get worst pollution then ever. Of course nuclear power plants could provide clean energy, but nobody wants to live in the same country with them.

 Come to think of it, those people are like you - just because they are "enlightened" by being non-religious, their ignorance and mental laziness is somehow miraculously cured and their opinion is unfallible. Everybody else is obviously an idiot, president included.  

miko

[CptTrips]

towd,
Well, ya know, Bush wants to be known as the "education president".  While I'm not a "frothing at the mouth" supporter, I will admit that he has done good work along those lines here in our great state during his governorship.

After reading your posts for a year and a half, I can only feel saddened that his term of office didn't come soon enough to do you any benefit.

Regards,
Wab


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[miko2d]

 

Originally posted by Saintaw:
Miko2d, Sorry, but I have to Stronly Dissagree with that ! Raising poeple with  Religious belief INSTEAD of actual facts... Wow, that sounds like a big allarm bell in my Book.

 You are not disagreeing with me, Saintaw. I am not advocating the matter, I am just stating the fact of it's existance. There are many more christian then nonchristian voters in this contry.

 But I am not worried. Despite all the religion among people there is a strong separation betwen the State and the Church. Nobody will force other people to study a religion in public schools. Of course the Creation theory and religion in general are part of our history and should be studied as such.

 I did not even discuss that point (education) in my posts - I just stated that being religious does not automatically make a person an idiot.

 Thinking rathionally, things that for us are "religious beliefs", for christians those things are actuall facts or as close as to make no difference. We just have to deal with that rationally.
 Expecting that a person would admit "I am a christion, so I am an idiot and my believes are wrong and irrational and I do not qualify to be a voter or a president" is naive.

 I never said I liked it, but with strong constitutional guarantees I like it better then, say Soviet Union or other countries.

 miko

[miko2d]

 Saintaw,

 For your information as a non-US resident, the US school system is much less orderly then, say, France or Russia.

 We have school districts (where schools are paid for mostly by property taxes), states on top of that, then federal level.

 Every school district or every school decides what and how to teach. On top of that the students select the subjects they like.

 While that poses a real problem because many  do not select hard subjects like math, physics, etc., there is no way for the federal government to make the schools teach anything.
 They may introduce standardised test like SAT or a law to forbid something (like display of religious objects on federal property) by making a corresponding law. But what does a president have to do with it? laws are written by Congress. A president can sometimes veto a bill, but not make a law.

 Schools are state or local property. Of couse they may be receiving federal grants that come with some conditions.

 Of course a president can speak about something or call for something, but he is only acting as a public relation person - no real power, just words.
 
 miko

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