Author Topic: Going Postal (Read 576 times)

Mustaine · « **on:** January 31, 2006, 09:29:56 AM »

man you haven't seen one of these in the news for quite a while:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060131/ap_on_re_us/post_office_shooting

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GOLETA, Calif. - A female ex-postal worker opened fire at a mail processing plant, killing six people and critically wounding another before committing suicide, authorities said early Tuesday.

Deputies responding to a report of shots fired about 9:15 p.m. Monday found two people dead outside the plant.

Two wounded women were located inside and were taken to Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital. One died and the other was listed in critical condition early Tuesday with a gunshot wound to the head.

Nearly five hours later, deputies found four additional bodies, including one believed to be the female shooter, Santa Barbara County Sheriff Jim Anderson said. The shooter, who was not identified, died of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, he said.

"We do not believe there is any additional threat to the community," Anderson said...

Curval · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2006, 09:35:03 AM »

hmmmmm

Nope...not gonna touch that bait today.

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2006, 09:47:59 AM »

"Nearly five hours later....."

I have not seen any information that authorities ever communicated with the gunman (woman). Was there a five hour delay before a team entered the building?

Krusher · « **Reply #3 on:** January 31, 2006, 09:54:23 AM »

Remind me never to work for the Post Office !

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #4 on:** January 31, 2006, 09:59:46 AM »

i had a job with Royal mail for one day, untill i walked out.

the general calibre of employees there made me realise....

1) no wonder the mail gets screwed up so much around here.

and

2) If i stay here more than another hour my personality is going to get me killed.

amazing coincedence though:

i had to sort out a sack of around 800 letter into their respective area codes. the very last letter in the sack was addressed to a close friend of mine named Abbey King. I asked that i should deliver the mail personaly to save the trouble and was verbally slapped back down to size, before going for a ciggy break with a crack head.

midnight Target · « **Reply #5 on:** January 31, 2006, 09:59:58 AM »

My wife was a postal worker for 10 years. They would fire you for using the term "going postal". No sense of humor at all.

Overnight the body count has gone from 3 to 6... sad.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #6 on:** January 31, 2006, 12:38:46 PM »

would taking guns away from postal workers make all u NRA guys go ballistic? Seems to me that guns and postalworkers make a dangerous mix.

rshubert · « **Reply #7 on:** January 31, 2006, 01:40:58 PM »

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Originally posted by ~Caligula~
would taking guns away from postal workers make all u NRA guys go ballistic? Seems to me that guns and postalworkers make a dangerous mix.

In all seriousness, you have it almost half right. Mixing postal workers with their management is the triggering factor, though--the guns have nothing to do with it.

Curval · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2006, 01:44:14 PM »

lazs2 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2006, 02:16:03 PM »

two points...No guns are allowed on this type of federal building sooooo... there was absolute gun control there..

Next... This proves that guns are great for equalizing force. This was a weak woman who managed to shoot five people even when 50 or 60 strong men and women were in the building.

Course.... if they wouldn't have had the silly gun control issue she probly wouldn't have shot anyone and if she had tried she probly wouldn't have been near as sucessful.

Gun control laws are silly and get people hurt... and firearms work to make the weak strong.... simple enough really.

lazs

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 31, 2006, 02:32:50 PM »

This is what happens when women go to work.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #11 on:** January 31, 2006, 04:01:30 PM »

Now you would think that with that kinda rep and the saying ot go with it "Going Postal" They would have figured out something was wrong with the system to cause people to get like this.

I mean you dont hear of any other single profession going this nuts this often

Shuckins · « **Reply #12 on:** January 31, 2006, 04:36:56 PM »

The female perpetrator left the workforce there two years ago. Why did she wait two years to go back?

One has to wonder what in Heaven's name goes on in the Postal Service that sends people over the edge like that. There must be some as yet unidentified factor involved in these events, because it seems, to me at least, that the frequency of such massacres goes beyond mere coincidence.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 31, 2006, 05:16:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
"Nearly five hours later....."

I have not seen any information that authorities ever communicated with the gunman (woman). Was there a five hour delay before a team entered the building?

According to the story on MSNBC, after receiving a call for shots fired, deputies found 2 dead outside, 2 injured inside, one of which died later. 5 hours later they found the rest, including the shooter. I'm assuming it took them that long to search the plant. This was a large processing center, not just a post office.

It said the woman had been on medical leave since 2003 (psychological reasons) and that she was let go because she was considered a danger to herself. She was on medical disability.

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When she left to go on leave, “she was not deemed a threat to others,” said Randy Degasperin, from the office of the U.S. Postal Inspector, which has federal jurisdiction over the 200,000-square-foot Santa Barbara Processing and Distribution Center.

She did not issue any physical threats but her co-workers wanted her to receive help, Degasperin told the Los Angeles Times.

According to the New York Times, the woman, whose name has not yet been made public, was forcibly removed for behavioral problems and postal service officials had said at the time that she “acted in a way that affected her welfare.”

Although her security pass was expired, she managed to tailgate another car past the gate controlling access to the garage, and then convinced 2 employees to let her in past the security door. If they would have just shut the door on her even, she would have been stopped. Idiots.

Mustaine · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2006, 05:44:39 PM »

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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
...and then convinced 2 employees to let her in past the security door. If they would have just shut the door on her even, she would have been stopped. Idiots.

see that part spooks me.

i don't know abuot the rest of you, but i have had alot of places i worked with security doors. there was a time as a contractor i had access to almost every major building in downtown milwaukee. i even had access to service elevators / areas restricted to normal employees.

where i work now i have access to 95% of the building (a hospital). the only areas i can not walk right into are where drugs are kept, the morgue, the board room, and the actual rooms surgery is performed (even there i can go into the area and stand right outside the door, as long as i put on the appropreiate gowns / masks / slippers).

in all these places, especially downtown, there have been countless times i badged through a door, and someone followed. i was never given a security protocol, restrictions, or anything. i have no clue who was allowed where, or who worked where. it was just routine. i know that is not the norm, or is it?

every day i go out for a smoke, and the door to get back in is badge access only. there is usually 10-15 people out there at any given time, people going in / out. over 1/2 the time i don;t even need to use my badge, i just follow someone in, or go in as someone is coming out. some of the people i know, they know me... others i have no clue who they are. personally i let my badge be read even if the door is open, just for my own sake (kind of justifying i am legit to go through this door if security is asking).

this also happens going into and out of some of the "secured" areas of the hospital. i see it every day, people going into the ER and i don't know if they are "allowed".

there have been instances in the world where someone is in the ER, and someone comes in to harm that person / finish the job, whatever. there actuall was an attempt here a few years back i hear.

companies spend all this money on this "security" for basically peace of mind for simple minds is all. not a week after 9/11 i walked into the biggest building in milwaukee, used a badge given to me to access the service elevator, went to the basement, opened the dock, and allowed access to a moving truck. it was a delivery truck for my company, delivering a machine, but who was i? there were no markings on the truck, there was no paperwork, nothing. the maching delivery went fine, but it spooked me then as to just how accessable our world is.

at that position i was not the regular contractor there. the normal person was on vacation. it was my job to fill in, and it was his badge i had. the security for the building didn't even know my name. they just let me pass, as long as my badge opened the door.

i could go on with experiances, but you get the idea.