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Offline Eagler

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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2001, 12:15:00 PM »
Then this morning he pardons Susan McDugal (sp?). Payback for keeping her trap shut ..

I think he is also able to recoup $8,000,000 of his legal defense fees.See link below:
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truly amazing  
only in America

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2001, 01:53:00 PM »
 You Republican facists amaze me!

 To lie under oath is wrong and he should have been penalized for doing it.

 What amazes me even more is the republican brown shirts wasted several years and  millions of dollars of tax payers money.

 Its no ones business if bubba was getting head in the oval office,Kenneth Starr should be hung by his nuts until dead!  

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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2001, 03:48:00 PM »
How does the fact that Clinton engaged in a consentual sexual relationship with someone other than his wife show him to be at all given to making unwanted sexual advances towards women?  He shouldn't have lied about Monica Lewinsky in the Paula Jones case, but it also shouldn't have ever been brought up.  One's consentual sexual past has no relevancy in a matter of non-consentual sexual advancements.

The only purpose for bringing up such things in a trial is to try to embarass the accused into a settlement.  Marv Albert was another example of this.  He was accused of sexual assault by a woman he had a consentual affair with for years.  The only evidence they had were bite marks and a parade of depositioned former sex partners that were forced to tell the world what Marv's sexual kinks were.

The fact that Marv liked dressing up like a woman, or liked having threesomes with a guy and another woman in no way show him any more or less apt to have sexually assaulted his accuser.  But it damn sure publicly humiliated him, threatened his career, and ultimately got him to pay her a bunch of money to end it.

Bill Clinton's two terms were just a string of similiar investigations, allegations and tactics perpetuated by his adversaries.  That the only thing they found him guilty of was perjury regarding what should be a private matter goes a long way to making me believe that this was nothing but an 8-year-long smear campaign.  If they had been able to prove some of the more serious (and yes, you do have to consider degrees here.  Even the law does it.  i.e. capital murder, murder in the 3rd degree, etc...) allegations against him, then I might feel differently.  

As it is, I can't believe that Kenneth Star and the Republican party were ever concerned with justice or the rule of law given their conduct in this mess.  Hell, they bent and stretched the law whenever they felt like it.  I am still trying to figure out what Clinton's testimony in a sexual harassment case has to do with whether or not he knew that the McDougal's hadn't paid back a federal loan.

No, it wasn't about anything so noble.  It was about undermining a presidency.  To either destroy the public's confidence in Bill Clinton to such an extent as to make him unable to influence the direction of the country, or to make him resign outright.  I am damn glad they failed for the most part.  And I would feel the same way if the shoe was on the other foot.

Anyway, that is why I can only feel so disappointed in Bill Clinton for his perjury.  The other side earned so much more of it.

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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2001, 07:18:00 PM »
I do think if it was a Republican president given the same evidence and circumstances, he'd been found guilty and run out of office. The media would have given its helping hand to rile the sheep up just as they helped sugar coat the billie bob's situation.

The man did not have the "character" to be President. He proved this over and over again. Bye, bye billie....

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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2001, 08:29:00 PM »
you got a long 4 years ahead.

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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2001, 10:37:00 PM »
Cmon admit it. He got to be president because he was the best liar of the bunch  .


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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2001, 11:18:00 PM »
It wasnt Clinton that invented "dont ask dont tell.."
It was the republicans..

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« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2001, 08:39:00 AM »
ok someone sue me.  When asked a question important to your case I will lie.  Lets see how you would feel.  Do you think you would have received justice?  What makes it any different because he is the president, he is not above the law.  


The lefties seem to think not about principle here, oh its just a little lie about sex.  When it is nothing of the sort.  True differences in beliefs.  I dont call um republicans and democrats any more, its conservative and liberal.  

Amazing, that people can so easily look past it.  

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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2001, 09:11:00 AM »
It's almost like I'm reading here that it is ok for the President of the United States to lie under oath because the Republicans should not have brought it up in the first place.

Yea, that right.  A lie under oath is ok because a) it was only about sex and b) the Republicans should not have brought it up in the first place.

Let's admit that the Republicans did go on a witch hunt.  Let's admit that they wasted a lot of money.  Let's admit that is was about character assassination.  Let's admit that Mr. Clintons sexual roving is none of out business.

Ok now that all of that is admitted, was it still ok for the President of the United States to lie under oath?  Or was he still justified to lie because it was nobody's business.

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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2001, 10:15:00 AM »
Nope, of course not.  My post never stated that he was correct in lying under oath.  Clinton's perjury angered and disappointed me, but not so much as the actions of an opposition party that would go to the extent that the Republicans (conservatives, whatever) did in their attempts to destroy Bill Clinton.  And it isn't just the liberals who felt that way.  Most of America didn't think he should be impeached and thought that it was carried way too far according to every poll I saw.  Oh, unless it is that biased liberal media trying to mislead us again!  

For me, it comes down to a simple question:  What was more damaging to the country?  The fact that Bill Clinton broke the law in lying under oath about an affair that had no relevance to the case against him?  Or that a group manipulated the law as much as they could to try to run a duly elected President out of office -- irregardless of the will of the people that elected him?  Sorry, legal or not, the latter is the far more heinous act of the two for me.  

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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2001, 12:55:00 PM »
a group manipulated the law as much as they could to try to run a duly elected President out of office -- irregardless of the will of the people that elected him? Sorry, legal or not, the latter is the far more heinous act of the two for me.

 EXACTLY-I think all Americans should me mad as hell about this! These amazinhunks squandered time and resources better spent on something productive,everyone of the persons involved should be held accountable and punished accordingly.

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 Do you think you would have received justice?


 The U.S. court system isn't about justice Dnil,its in place for dispute resolution.

 The carrion feeding lawyers wouldn't be able to survive if it was geared towards justice.

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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2001, 01:02:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by jihad:
a group manipulated the law as much as they could to try to run a duly elected President out of office -- irregardless of the will of the people that elected him? Sorry, legal or not, the latter is the far more heinous act of the two for me.

 EXACTLY-I think all Americans should me mad as hell about this! These amazinhunks squandered time and resources better spent on something productive,everyone of the persons involved should be held accountable and punished accordingly.

EDIT:

 Do you think you would have received justice?


 The U.S. court system isn't about justice Dnil,its in place for dispute resolution.

 The carrion feeding lawyers wouldn't be able to survive if it was geared towards justice.

[This message has been edited by jihad (edited 01-21-2001).]

I honestly think thats how most of the rest of the world sees it too. And likly how history will see it.

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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2001, 01:46:00 PM »
ok got ya, its ok to lie under oath, ill remember that if i am ever sued.

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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2001, 01:58:00 PM »
Sometime in the early 60's, during a discussion of going to court to get justice, I was informed by a rather high ranking US Federal judge that the United States "do NOT have courts of justice, they have courts of Law, and you need to understand the difference."

Just information if anyone cares.

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« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2001, 12:50:00 AM »
so by law ya cant lie under oath correct?



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