Going Postal

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by lazs2

Gun control laws are silly and get people hurt...   and firearms work to make the weak strong.... simple enough really.

lazs

They should have been real men, and rushed her. What's the rate of fire in a 9MM? How much time to reload? they should have counted the rounds, made a plan, and staged a bullrush

firearms provide a false sense of security,

[Ripsnort]

More Prozac please.

[Sixpence]

Well, we employ about 700,000 people, the largest civilian employer in the country, so by relative numbers we would have more snap. People snap under pressure all the time.

The workers, they could be taken out of the post office and they could still survive, anyone can work a factory or delivery job. But if postal management were to enter the private sector, they would be fired in a day.

[lazs2]

red bottom... you are correct.. they should have rushed her but..  "is that a preban 18 round mag or one of the newer 10 round ones? "  ya gotta ask.

Look where the shootings take place...DC, schools, federal buildings... what do they have in common?  the shooter knows with allmost absolute certainty that they will be the only armed person in the place and... if not.. that any cop will be easy to pick out.

Now... let's say she couldn't get a gun... all guns vaporized from the planet... She would simply wait till shift change and then drive her SUV through the horde at about 80 mph... probly killing and wounding a dozen or more.

You can make it against the law to go insane but it's tough to prevent.  If killing people is your goal... a 9mm pistol is not the way to go.

lazs

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

I'm curious how she managed to get a gun.

The woman was well-known to authorities in western New Mexico, where she moved after leaving her job at the postal center.

In July 2004, she applied for a business license to start a publication called "The Racist Press," said Terri Gallegos, deputy clerk for the city of Milan, N.M.

When applying for the license, she constantly talked to herself — "not just mumbling to herself, but real audible, like she was arguing with someone but there was no one there," Gallegos recalled.

Another time, the woman asked to register a business that made cat food. The clerk's office filed a complaint with police last spring alleging she harassed a worker during her visits.

Police in nearby Grants, N.M., gave her a warning last June after receiving complaints that she was naked at a gas station. She was dressed when officers arrived.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183417,00.html

Don't you have to be sane to get one?
-SW

[Maverick]

You have to be LEGALLY found to be insane. If there is no documented psychiatric determination and the individual has not been committed or determined through the court to be a danger to themselves and others there is no finding of insanity.

No legal documents, no court records, means there is no way to find anything in a data base about the persons history. Remember MEDICAL records are not public domain.

[Mickey1992]

A former neighbor of the shooter has been found dead in a condo complex.  

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by Mustaine
see that part spooks me.

i don't know abuot the rest of you, but i have had alot of places i worked with security doors. there was a time as a contractor i had access to almost every major building in downtown milwaukee. i even had access to service elevators / areas restricted to normal employees.

where i work now i have access to 95% of the building (a hospital). the only areas i can not walk right into are where drugs are kept, the morgue, the board room, and the actual rooms surgery is performed (even there i can go into the area and stand right outside the door, as long as i put on the appropreiate gowns / masks / slippers).

in all these places, especially downtown, there have been countless times i badged through a door, and someone followed. i was never given a security protocol, restrictions, or anything. i have no clue who was allowed where, or who worked where. it was just routine. i know that is not the norm, or is it?

every day i go out for a smoke, and the door to get back in is badge access only. there is usually 10-15 people out there at any given time, people going in / out. over 1/2 the time i don;t even need to use my badge, i just follow someone in, or go in as someone is coming out. some of the people i know, they know me... others i have no clue who they are. personally i let my badge be read even if the door is open, just for my own sake (kind of justifying i am legit to go through this door if security is asking).

this also happens going into and out of some of the "secured" areas of the hospital. i see it every day, people going into the ER and i don't know if they are "allowed".

there have been instances in the world where someone is in the ER, and someone comes in to harm that person / finish the job, whatever. there actuall was an attempt here a few years back i hear.

companies spend all this money on this "security" for basically peace of mind for simple minds is all. not a week after 9/11 i walked into the biggest building in milwaukee, used a badge given to me to access the service elevator, went to the basement, opened the dock, and allowed access to a moving truck. it was a delivery truck for my company, delivering a machine, but who was i? there were no markings on the truck, there was no paperwork, nothing. the maching delivery went fine, but it spooked me then as to just how accessable our world is.

at that position i was not the regular contractor there. the normal person was on vacation. it was my job to fill in, and it was his badge i had. the security for the building didn't even know my name. they just let me pass, as long as my badge opened the door.

i could go on with experiances, but you get the idea.

Well, I can tell you one thing.  Its difficult to control secure access into and out of a busy building.  Difficulty inspires people to find shortcuts and ways to circumvent those measures, to save a second or two.  I have a rather unique perspective, because I'm in charge of security for a large corporate complex in the middle of downtown Honolulu, and I've worked in several other buildings downtown from high rise condos to banks.  People are the same no matter what the course of business is though.  I can easily see how this woman got in, because I see the same things happen every day.  The person you know CANT be a terrorist, or a mass murderer, or whatever else, even if you flat out KNOW she's probably Manic Depressive and dangerous.  People always have the "it cant happen to me" syndrome.  Contractors who work in my building have specific instructions.  If other people are in the elevators or coming in or out of doors that require card access, they let the others go through first.  If they need an elevator without interference from tenants or visitors, they get one.  Access cards only allow them into areas they need to go.  Yes its more work for me to program that type of access, but less hassle than screwing up just once.  Terrorists are  unlikely here, but possible.  More likely I'll get a deranged client from one of the law firms here.  We are next door to district court.  We have several family and liability law firms here.  We also butt up against the telephone company's main building.  Security at both places is tighter than mine.  We also have several major bus stops within 100 yards in 3 directions.  If someone wanted to do alot of damage, my building would be a perfect spot to make a really big boom.  I cant convince the property management its worth the extra money for the improvements and extra installs I need to upgrade security here, even with HPD's terrorist task force backing up my suggestions.  Tenants might complain.  After all, it cant happen here.  Right?

[lazs2]

I don't really care that much on the how or the why of the thing so much as..

Am I able to shoot back.

lazs