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Teddy had it so right! Not Kennedy, but Roosevelt!
« on: February 03, 2006, 12:30:44 AM »
Teddy had it so right!  Not Kennedy, but Roosevelt!


Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2006, 10:06:23 AM »
T.R. was a great man that I have admired for many years. He was a progresive thinker who would have never made it in todays political arena. That says more about our modern system than it does about the man.
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2006, 11:12:10 AM »
that was almost 100 years ago ...

yep I think some things have changed since then, just a few
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2006, 12:14:23 PM »
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that was almost 100 years ago ...

yep I think some things have changed since then, just a few


Yep and not all for the better either.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2006, 01:01:06 PM »
I kinda like this one...

"No man can lead a public career really worth leading, no man can act with rugged independence in serious crises, nor strike at great abuses, nor afford to make powerful and unscrupulous foes, if he is himself vulnerable in his private character."

If only the current crop of politicians would embrace this thinking....

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Re: Teddy had it so right! Not Kennedy, but Roosevelt!
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2006, 01:34:43 PM »
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Teddy had it so right!  Not Kennedy, but Roosevelt!


Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907


Interesting how one would define "American" in 1907.

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2006, 01:35:15 PM »
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that was almost 100 years ago ...

yep I think some things have changed since then, just a few


What has changed so much that immigrants shouldn't assimilate to being an American?

Besides if one country was bad enough to leave, then why group together and set up little versions of that same country here?
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2006, 01:49:32 PM »
So as to replicate only the good aspects of it.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2006, 01:49:54 PM »
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Besides if one country was bad enough to leave, then why group together and set up little versions of that same country here?


They are not fleeing their culture but the government or country conditions.  You would be hard pressed to take away anyone's culture.

I don't see a problem with it as long as they learn English, respect American customs and obey U.S. laws.  That's where the trouble starts.
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2006, 02:17:55 PM »
Kalifornia will turn into American Quebec!:eek: :eek: :O :O

PS, LA is still ctrled by Asians and Armenians:p

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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2006, 06:49:47 PM »
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Interesting how one would define "American" in 1907.


And just how would that be?
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2006, 06:52:03 PM »
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So as to replicate only the good aspects of it.


Ahhhh you mean like the Italians did with "Little Italy"  and the Mafia.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2006, 08:55:22 PM »
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What has changed so much that immigrants shouldn't assimilate to being an American?

Besides if one country was bad enough to leave, then why group together and set up little versions of that same country here?


it's called diversity and multiculturalism.  It's the PC talk of the 21st century and is the cornerstorn of most American Universities.  Basically the way I see it is kids today are told to celebrate their differences instead of their comonalities.

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2006, 11:07:38 PM »
wasnt teddy all for the extermination of the american indians?

I don't think he qualifies as any kind of spokesman for the American way.. now or then...
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2006, 11:34:12 PM »
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wasnt teddy all for the extermination of the american indians?

I don't think he qualifies as any kind of spokesman for the American way.. now or then...


No, that's really quite absurd... Please read a bit about Roosevelt before making such trollish comments.:rolleyes:

In 1913 a self-titled plainsman named Robert Wright wrote a book containing as much fiction as fact. The book was titled:

DODGE CITY, THE COWBOY CAPITAL and THE GREAT SOUTHWEST
in The Days of The Wild Indian, the Buffalo, the Cowboy, Dance Halls, Gambling Halls, and Bad Men
BY
ROBERT M. WRIGHT
Plainsman, Explorer, Scout, Pioneer, Trader and Settler

Wright loved to glorify the cowboy as the great figure that settled the west.
In his book, he wrote:

"Theodore Roosevelt gave an address, once, up in South Dakota, which is readable in connection with the subject in hand. "My friends seem to think," said Roosevelt, "that I can talk only on two subjects-the bear and the cowboy-and the one I am to handle this evening is the more formidable of the two. After all, the cowboys are not the ruffians and desperadoes that the nickel library prints them. Of course, in the frontier towns where the only recognized amusements are vices, there is more or less of riot and disorder. But take the cowboy on his native heath, on the round-up, and you will find in him the virtues of courage, endurance, good fellowship, and generosity. He is not sympathetic. The cowboy divides all humanity into two classes, the sheep and the goats, those who can ride bucking horses and those who can't; and I must say he doesn't care much for the goats.

"I suppose I should be ashamed to say that I take the western view of the Indian. I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indian is the dead Indian, but I believe nine out of every ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth. The most vicious cowboy has more moral principle than the average Indian. Take three hundred low families of New York and New Jersey, support them, for fifty years, in vicious idleness, and you will have some idea of what the Indians are. Reckless, revengeful, fiendishly cruel, they rob and murder, not the 'cowboys who can take care of themselves, but the defenseless, lone settlers of the plains. As for the soldiers, an Indian chief once asked Sheridan for a cannon. 'What! do you want to kill my soldiers with it?' asked the general. 'No,' replied the chief, 'Want to kill cowboy; kill soldier with a club.'"

The only problem with this is that Roosevelt strongly denied having ever said this shortly after Wright's book was published.

Since that time, this fabricated quote has been used to show that Roosevelt wanted to eradicate the American Indian. A rediculous contention in light of Roosevelt's actual position on indians. TR stated that every indian should have the same rights to own land as did the homesteaders; 160 acres for every man who applied for it, be they white, red or black. However, he did not believe that the indian tribes had rights to the western lands beyond this.


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