Author Topic: Hangers (Read 1630 times)

FiLtH · « **on:** February 04, 2006, 02:14:20 AM »

We did a run on hangers tonight. We bombed so poorly we dropped down and strafed them down , out of frustration, due to our incompetence.

To our surprise the popped back up in about 30 seconds to 1 minute. My feelings on this, is that the AvA is supposed to be more like the war than the MA. I think...

1.Hanger strength should require 10k-15k lbs per hanger to kill.

2. Hangers should stay down for 1 hour.

This would make it so to be effective, bombers must attack in large groups. Also, it would make fighters really want to protect the bases. And by it being down as long as it took to plan, travel to, bomb and rtb, would seem a little more worth the trip to the bomber guys.

storch · « **Reply #1 on:** February 04, 2006, 05:41:12 AM »

ok then mr fun policeman let me ask you this please? did B17s et al attack front line fighter bases? That job was mostly reserved for jabos and occasionally B25/26 A20/26. keep in mind that one sortie from the boofers could shut down the arena for the night. I think the set up is correct. you did your mishun you got your pointzes and the furball continued. or was it your intent to have your fun at the expense of 90% of the players? I would agree that perhaps we should turn strat on for those that appreciate the fine art of HE destruction on an industrial scale. However if we are going to do that we need to activate wurzburg for the axis and gimme something with 30mm and lots of them too. we'll see how many sorties you fly into the sacred cartoonland with JG54 decked out as ZG-1.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 04, 2006, 09:00:00 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
keep in mind that one sortie from the boofers could shut down the arena for the night.

This is particularly so on our current map. The influx of new players is very welcome, but some naturally bring with them a sense that they're supposed to win the war by resetting the arena. This past week I have noticed a lot of radar bombing. Granted that in The Real War it would have been a good thing to do that, in the arena it ends up detracting from playability because people have difficulty finding fights.

Having said that, the 30-second hanger regeneration does surprise me. Must remember to check it out later.

My brain hurts.

- oldman

FiLtH · « **Reply #3 on:** February 04, 2006, 09:18:06 AM »

I think we need to realize that this isnt the AvA furball arena. They give your the MA for that, especially when there is an FT in it. They have a Dueling arena for 1 on 1 or squad on squad fights. The AvA arena should be kept as realistic as possible.

When we flew Boston missions for the past couple weeks in formation knowing full well we were dogmeat, dont you think maybe we realized we were doing so to promote the arena, and to fly like in ww2?

Flying between A15 and A46 on the deck, continuously is just making it a fyrball arena. As far as Im concerned, if you lose a base, because you were furballing instead of defending, its your loss. There are enough arenas given to the horde of "Im paying good money, I wanna have fast cheap fun" crowd. Let this one play out.

PS the formations we had going lastnight...nobody would have had a chance...no matter what gun.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 04, 2006, 10:11:32 AM »

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Originally posted by FiLtH
When we flew Boston missions for the past couple weeks in formation knowing full well we were dogmeat, dont you think maybe we realized we were doing so to promote the arena, and to fly like in ww2?

Flying between A15 and A46 on the deck, continuously is just making it a fyrball arena. As far as Im concerned, if you lose a base, because you were furballing instead of defending, its your loss. There are enough arenas given to the horde of "Im paying good money, I wanna have fast cheap fun" crowd. Let this one play out.

The bomber attacks have generated some of the best fights in this setup, and everyone involved appreciates the bomber pilots' efforts. In the spirit of your observation that this arena is supposed to be realistic, though, I'm not sure what it is that you expect to achieve with any bomber raid in 1942. Certainly you shouldn't be expecting to conquer Europe - that won't come for a couple more years (...er...a week or so?), and it won't be achieved by airpower acting alone. Being able to capture bases in this era is not realistic at all; on the other hand, bomber interception and fighter v fighter combat is very realistic.

All of which is to ask, I guess: what does a bomber pilot expect to achieve in a historic arena?

- oldman

gear · « **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2006, 11:41:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Oldman731
Certainly you shouldn't be expecting to conquer Europe - that won't come for a couple more years (...er...a week or so?), and it won't be achieved by airpower acting alone. Being able to capture bases in this era is not realistic at all; on the other hand, bomber interception and fighter v fighter combat is very realistic.

All of which is to ask, I guess: what does a bomber pilot expect to achieve in a historic arena?

- oldman

I'd have to agree with you.
Base capture in 42 did not happen until June 1944 that would be
Operation Overlord (for those who are history impaired that would be the invasion of Normandy or D-Day)

Rino · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2006, 11:46:43 AM »

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Originally posted by gear
I'd have to agree with you.
Base capture in 42 did not happen until opperation Sea Lion(for those who are history impaired that would be the invasion of Normandy or D-Day)

Man, I must be really history impaired...I always thought that Sealion
was the code name for the German invasion of England that never
happened and that Operation Overlord was for the Normandy invasion.

Kev367th · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2006, 11:51:58 AM »

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Originally posted by Rino
Man, I must be really history impaired...I always thought that Sealion
was the code name for the German invasion of England that never
happened and that Operation Overlord was for the Normandy invasion.

I think you are most probably, definately correct.

gear · « **Reply #8 on:** February 04, 2006, 11:55:09 AM »

Yeh iwas thinking axsis frame of mind.thx for the corretion

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/dday/omaha.aspx

FiLtH · « **Reply #9 on:** February 04, 2006, 05:44:52 PM »

I have no interest in capturing any territory in the AvA. I want the dates to reflect ownership.

What are the bombers to be used for, it there are no targets worth hitting though. What are the penalties for letting bombers reach an airbase, if hangers regen in 1 minute? Radar? Yaaayyy.

The fun of bombing is getting there, and getting the bombs out..and saying there, we made it in now lets get out. But if the bombs have no real effect...then the bomb crews will have no interest.

Then you wont have a true ww2 airwar. You have a historically setup fighter combat arena. One that mainly flies between A46 and A15, to allow the quickest dogfights, usually between 7k and the deck with a few exceptions.

I love to fly fighters. But at times I enjoy bombing missions. But I want them to mean something. If Im gonna be a chewtoy, I want to have a chance at peeing in their Cheerios if we get thru, and making them feel like "Next time we better stop them!".

If both sides would plan missions, the bomber and intercept of it...alot of fun could be had. Unfortunately there are too many folks that want to do as little as possible, and soak up as much of their style of fun, while squashing other's types of fun to make it work on a regular basis.

Treize69 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 04, 2006, 06:20:28 PM »

At least enable strat so there is a reward for battling a formation of buffs through the swarms of fighters and flak besides a thank you and pat on the back.

Wouldn't disable anything, just keep fights closer to home for a while as there is a temporary shortage of fuel and ammo. Flak and troops dont really matter in this setup.

Would also give the interceptors a little added incentive to claw their way up after those 25-35K buff formations.

KONG1 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 04, 2006, 09:38:09 PM »

A lot of words to express a simple whine. Succinctly put:

“It’s no fun to bomb if I can’t cause grief, waaaa”

Just tryin to help

FiLtH · « **Reply #12 on:** February 05, 2006, 01:15:49 AM »

Why do MA players post here?

storch · « **Reply #13 on:** February 05, 2006, 06:29:19 AM »

I think KONG's post covers that as well.

if you mean KONG he's an AvA regular and a long time member of JG54.

allmetal · « **Reply #14 on:** February 05, 2006, 08:15:11 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
ok then mr fun policeman let me ask you this please? did B17s et al attack front line fighter bases? That job was mostly reserved for jabos and occasionally B25/26 A20/26. keep in mind that one sortie from the boofers could shut down the arena for the night. I think the set up is correct. you did your mishun you got your pointzes and the furball continued. or was it your intent to have your fun at the expense of 90% of the players? I would agree that perhaps we should turn strat on for those that appreciate the fine art of HE destruction on an industrial scale. However if we are going to do that we need to activate wurzburg for the axis and gimme something with 30mm and lots of them too. we'll see how many sorties you fly into the sacred cartoonland with JG54 decked out as ZG-1.

w00t