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Offline CHECKERS

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« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2006, 03:30:15 AM »
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Lets have 39 different variants of Spitfire V!:aok

... I still want my olde spit back lol!


  DITTO... I want the Old Spit 5 back also !:t


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« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2006, 08:13:31 AM »
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Grits, with either +16 or +12 boost, the spitV is still a UFO king (lol). Let's just say this is "more" realistic, and that maybe the spit16 is challenging the +16 "V" for the Ufo King crown title.

Krusty, you should have tried the AvA areana when it was 190A5 vs. spit V. I flew the 190A5 almost exclusively and it was a vastly superior plane - suprise suprise to all LW whiners. Unless ganged by 3 or more, the 190 could tangle with up to two spit V if not starting from a bad disadvantage and could disengage at will. It out climb them (the 12 boost spits), out run them and out roll them.

In the MA slow spits feed of the crums that La7s leave behind. 190s can't toy with them because an La7 or a P51 will show up and make you slow down to be eaten by the spits. Makes spit more dangerous that way then they really are. In AvA that doesn't happen since you face relatively homogenous opposition, not to mention less ganging due to short range icons.

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« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2006, 08:20:44 AM »
A Spit's a spit..... Just up a Zeke and laugh when they try to turn. :lol
  The only time I bother to up one is if I'm having real bad luck in anything else. Almost always garonteed a couple kills in a spit.... Easy mode...
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« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2006, 09:59:17 AM »
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Krusty, you should have tried the AvA areana when it was 190A5 vs. spit V. I flew the 190A5 almost exclusively and it was a vastly superior plane - suprise suprise to all LW whiners. Unless ganged by 3 or more, the 190 could tangle with up to two spit V if not starting from a bad disadvantage and could disengage at will. It out climb them (the 12 boost spits), out run them and out roll them.

I had the opposite experience.  Bozon is correct that the A5 can disengage at will.  The rest of the sentence should be, "which it often has to do."  Given a choice, I'd much rather be in the Spit.  My guess is that Bozon's successful encounters with multiple Spits speak to his very fine piloting skills, rather than to the quality of his ride.

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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2006, 12:15:49 AM »
No, actually I sucked and got killed for being over aggressive. Can't hit anything with LW 20mm. My point is that like in the more extreme case of the zeke, once spit5 catches up with you it is an uber plane, up until that point there's not much it can do. With the lower boost rating the A5 outclimb it and out run it, meaning, you can BnZ a spit 5 for a long long time if you have the patience, taking very little risk. Spit 5 is a plane without initiative unless it come with a nice E advantage and will be on the defence most of the time.

In the MA you don't need to be fast in a furball. You can feed of the scraps of the faster rides. Fast BnZ planes will not bother you long because a fast high fighter will arrive and engage them.

Reminds me of the days in AH1 where the N1k was called UFO. I used to like to to make them chase me all over the map keeping them just outside of gun range - frustrating them as a punishment for taking off in a N1k.

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« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2006, 12:42:29 AM »
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With the lower boost rating the A5 outclimb it and out run it, meaning, you can BnZ a spit 5 for a long long time if you have the patience, taking very little risk.


 Not unless you start the engagement with a considerable amount of E advantage in the firstplace - which, unfortunately is the prime reason why 190 pilots will most likely to choose to be up higher than everyone else, be it AvA or MA alike.

 At co-alt, there's simply nothing a A-5 can do with any kind of maneuvering that might be called 'aggressive'. Forget the vets or experten jabbering about how they force overshoots with rolls and scissors - in most cases they have a bad bad habit of forgetting the quality of pilots they face. If dancing around a baby seal who couldn't find his butt with both hands count as 'outmaneuvering', then I can do that too. However, against anyone with just the basics of air combat into his mind, and all 'maneuvering' is simply out of the question in a 190. The 190 is literally the worst maneuvering plane in the entire Fighter category. The plane simply cannot handle anything else except diving and rolling.

 Outclimbing a Spit5 in a 190 is hardly worth anything in practical combat, since even if you can draw him into a climbing chase and have gained some amount of separation the 190 just cannot go into an extended rope-a-dope from climbing speed, as the plane will fail to respond and viciously stall out once the speed becomes low.

 Whereas, the Spit5 can hang on a thread and lob Hizooka shells upto the very last moment. Even if a 190 miraculously succeeds in a rope-a-dope, and manages to tip over and nose down from the vertical without being shot, the odds are that the 190 needs so much speed to recover to start maneuvering again, that while the Spit stalls out, quickly recovers basic maneuverability at around 80~100mph, the 190 will be forced to 'fall from the sky' until the speed is regained around 200mph. The 190 will overshoot the Spit floating around below him, and then bam, end result: the Spit is still behind your tail. Any kind of premature attempt to correct the plane's position/aim will kick in the destabilization.

 There is no such thing as 'maneuvering' in 190s. It was a long time ago, but I still remember Grunherz, a skillful 190 pilot himself, spitting out a frustrated remark; "there's nothing a 190A can do against a N1K at coalt".
 
 What you can do, is just run. Keep running until out of visual range, climb up again, and then re-enter combat at a hgher alt. It's the only logical thing to do in 190s - and when people do it, they are ridiculed and laughed at as being a "timid Bore-n-Zoomer".
 
 Frankly, against any plane that is faster than itself, and is able to catch up with it, 190s are just helpless.

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« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2006, 12:59:09 AM »
Fortunately for the 190s, though, that's a relatively small category.
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« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2006, 02:14:28 PM »
Saxman, we're also talking Antons here, not just Doras. Over half the planeset can catch a 190A.

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« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2006, 03:54:10 PM »
so true... (190)

Always keep in mind that almost every plane will out-turn you in sustained turns, and almost every plane will out-climb you in sustained climbs

looks like the only thing a 190 can sustain is a dive speed of more than 600
mph without breaking any parts lol.

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« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2006, 04:45:18 PM »
dive means NOTHING in AH because any plane can dive to any speed, that's the stupid part. There are NO dive limits in AH, where there were in real life. Planes in AH all dive the same, whereas planes in real life have drag and what not that make some planes slower in a dive than others.

None of this works right in AH, so dive capability is a non-factor.

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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2006, 09:46:35 AM »
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dive means NOTHING in AH because any plane can dive to any speed, that's the stupid part. There are NO dive limits in AH, where there were in real life. Planes in AH all dive the same, whereas planes in real life have drag and what not that make some planes slower in a dive than others.

None of this works right in AH, so dive capability is a non-factor.


Comon now, try diving in a Ki84, SpitV, etc and then try to pull up.
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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2006, 09:49:16 AM »
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dive means NOTHING in AH because any plane can dive to any speed, that's the stupid part. There are NO dive limits in AH, where there were in real life.


That is not at all true.  Try to dive after a 262 who's going about 300mph sometime.  If he has about 9000 feet under him, it doesn't matter if you dive from 11000 feet or 35000 feet... you will not catch him in a dive unless you're in another 262 or a 163.

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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2006, 10:43:45 AM »
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Are the in game spits labeled as spit Vb now or just Spit V?, it would clear up alot of things if the labels were more concise to keep things from getting too generic.


Current tags and actual versions -

Spit I - 1940 Mk Ia (Merlin II)
Spit V - 1941 F Vb (Merlin  46 - I believe, same as Seafire IIc)
Spit IX - 1942 F IXc (Merlin 61)
Spit VIII - 1943 LF VIIIc (Merlin 66)
Spit XIV - 1944 F XIVe (Griffon 65)
Spit XVI - 1944 LF XVIe (Merlin 266)
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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2006, 04:03:05 PM »
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dive means NOTHING in AH because any plane can dive to any speed, that's the stupid part.



As usual you're wrong.



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« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2006, 04:11:37 PM »
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