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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2006, 11:11:35 AM »
Pretty neat exercise in recoil reduction. It's not going to be that good in CQB. I view CQB as practically being in touching range and any long gun is a hindrence in that situation. My background in having to deal with someone in order to secure them also colors my feelings about it as well. It's hard to cuff or restrain someone when you have to deal with a long gun, sling or straps are not the best solution either.
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2006, 11:14:16 AM »
Don't forget that if you reduce recoil, you reduce muzzle velocity.  I want to know how powerful it is vs. a Mossberg 500.
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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2006, 11:59:47 AM »
Laser,

Given the short effective range for shotgun pellets, it's not likely to be much different. We're not talking about a 75 to 100 yard range weapon here given it's expected purpose. Double 00 buck should be just as effective in the range of the weapon for either one.

Figuring you can "clear a room" with a shotgun is another hollywierd fantasy. The rate of spread for the shot pattern isn't all that great. A rule of thumb for an open cylinder (no choke) is about an inch spread per yard of shot travel starting about one to two yards in front of the muzzle. Looking at this it's easy to see where people miss with a shotgun same as they do with a single projectile weapon. Extend the range and the effectiveness drops radically as fewer pellets will strike the target. With only about 9 pellets in 00 buck there will be plenty of "holes in the pattern" at anything over 50 yards.

The effectiveness of a shotgun is not that it is easy to hit, it's just because you get more hits per shell in it's effective range when you do hit.
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2006, 12:14:25 PM »
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Introduction -


Technical Data -
* Caliber - 12 Gauge (2 3/4" Shells)
* Rate of Fire - 300 Rounds per minute/fires a 20 round drum in about 4 seconds
* Operations - Long Stroke Gas Piston with constant recoil
* Length - 33 Inches with 13 Inch Barrel (same size as an M4 with stock Extended). 38 Inches with 18 Inch Barrel
* Weight - 10.0 lbs with 13 Inch Barrel. 10.5 lbs with 18 Inch Barrel
* Feeding Device - 8 round magazine, 20 round drum magazine, 40 round drum magazine (in development)
* Safety - Thumb Safety
* Sights - Front: Protected Post which is adjustable for Elevation. Rear: Protected Ring which is adjustable for W/E.
* Stock - Glass filled nylon available in: Urban Grey, Desert Tan, Olive Drab, Black, Various other Camouflage Patterns
* Finish - Matte Stainless Steel
* Made of corrosion resistant, high impact, heat-treated stainless steels and high-impact plastics
* Low Maintenance - During a Blackwater shoot, 5000 ROUNDS were fired through a single weapon WITHOUT cleaning or a drop of Lube.


http://www.camo-store.com/download_files/Free%20Stuff%20-%20Military%20Police%20AA-12.wmv


I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!!:O

For duck hunting of course
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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2006, 12:16:58 PM »
That'll teach those ducks not to **** with ya!  :D
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2006, 01:47:07 PM »
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Offline Kaw1000

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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2006, 02:29:06 PM »
I shot a auto shot gun in kentucky Machine gun shoot....there was a guy standing behind me so I did'nt fall backwards...24 shots for 55 dollars!!
  I was nothing like that shot gun on video!
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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2006, 02:43:07 PM »
That clip has been around for years. AFAIK that gun never made it into production.

It could still be floating around waiting to be picked up for a gooberment contract. But due to its illegal status in the civilian sector its still in limbo. I'd like to see it made (legal). However, if the government wants an auto shotgun there are other more proven designs readily available.
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2006, 02:43:11 PM »
sliding the mags up that rail into the receiver looks like the weak link in that design.  The rail was flexing and needed special attention to ramp up the mags.

I doubt it would last long in a CQC environment.

Neat weapon though, especially for crowd control....the kind of crowds Im thinking of.......lol
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2006, 02:51:40 PM »
saw on of them on a raidocontrolled chopper befor
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Offline Brenjen

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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2006, 03:26:35 PM »
Saiga makes a semi-auto based on the AK design I always wanted to try out, seems like it would be easier to control than the Spas was, but the one pictured looks a little more cumbersome than the Saiga.

 I'd like to see a gatling design that fires buckshot for vehicle defense like on a hummer or duece & a half.

 I got to fire the mother of all shotguns when I worked at an old reynolds aluminum smelting plant, it was called a ringblaster, some people called it a kiln gun but ringblaster was printed on the plate it stood on, it was a single shot, tripod mounted, stainless steel cannon! It had a pull lanyard for a trigger & fired (iirc) 4 gauge rounds. I got to shoot an entire case of rounds through it on one of my night shifts; needless to say it was lots of fun.

 Edit: this particular gun was custom made for Reynolds aluminum according to the brass plate attached to the tripod. I had discussions with the old timers they brought out of retirement who said they had an 8 gauge for a smaller kiln that was no longer used at that time. The one I am reffering too may have been a 6 gauge...been over 20 years & I can't remember.
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Offline Wolf14

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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2006, 04:15:02 PM »
I still think a Benelli beats it in rate of fire hands down and a Benelli is more controlable at probably half the weight.
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