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Offline Sloehand

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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2006, 04:07:54 AM »
Well, based on the point scoring formula everyone described, the score may have been correct... and stupid.  I don't care where you die or what the ENY is (most of us have complained about that at one time or another), killing the enemy (alot) should have a more reasonable reward attached or it invalidates the whole system of scoring.  1.41 points for 40 kills is not IMO anywhere near the planet Earth in being reasonable.  The formula is badly scewed and should be changed.  Won't be, but should.
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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2006, 04:31:57 AM »
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... it invalidates the whole system of scoring.


Nonsense.

If you want to earn high or maximum perk points then you must up aircraft / vehicles with a high ENY value and kill things with a low ENY value and land your kills.

It's explained thoroughly in the AH2 help file.

As Mudr explained the Tiger has ENY of 5. You wouldn't have earned that many perks even if you landed your kills. You think there might be some encouragement built into the perk system for folks to fly higher ENY aircraft / vehicles?

I mean 40 kills or so in a PIV would have been something. In a Tiger, especially with vehicle supplies, it's really no big thing.

My ex-squad mate Bradys5 once landed 50+ kills in an M8. Do the math on that...

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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2006, 07:01:52 AM »
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killing the enemy (alot) should have a more reasonable reward  


Try this perspective -

In the UK you can hire some guns & beaters & spend a day on the moors, maybe bagging 10-20 game.  Set u back ~ £400 ish.
You've killed 40 gvs for virtually nothing and virtual points.

The reward is in the killing (mwuahahaha).

Stop bean counting & enjoy.

(Of course u can't eat a panzer tho')  :)
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2006, 09:12:46 AM »
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Originally posted by Sloehand
Well, based on the point scoring formula everyone described, the score may have been correct... and stupid.  I don't care where you die or what the ENY is (most of us have complained about that at one time or another), killing the enemy (alot) should have a more reasonable reward attached or it invalidates the whole system of scoring.  1.41 points for 40 kills is not IMO anywhere near the planet Earth in being reasonable.  The formula is badly scewed and should be changed.  Won't be, but should.
it is stupid to be penalized for deaths?

someone mentioned in this thread what i think bears repeating

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So that previous 5.26 perks times the 'death/crashed penalty' (.25) would be 1.3166 perks


try flying with a p51, getting 3 kills, then dying, and see how many perks you earn. should you earn things dying? if so why bother even trying to land ever? just make air spawns and when we are out of ammo we can auger, then pop back @ 10k right away in a new plane. high score of the night gets to put his initials on the startup screen for the next day.
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2006, 10:02:39 AM »
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should you earn things dying? if so why bother even trying to land ever? just make air spawns and when we are out of ammo we can auger, then pop back @ 10k right away in a new plane. high score of the night gets to put his initials on the startup screen for the next day.

This might be cool.  Skuzzy, how hard would it be to implement?

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2006, 10:34:54 AM »
The scoring is ok with me.
the only thing I dont think is right is upping in a Perked whatever at say 30 perks then dying and loosing 40 perks

Smaee thing if you ap a perked whatever at 30 perks and die and loose only 20 perks.

Whatever you buy it at should be whatever you loose it at minus whatever score you have aquired

the way it is now you are either punished or punished less severely depending on circumstances you have no control over. which is how many players your side has in comparison to the other sides.

Which to me doesnt seem right
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2006, 10:37:11 AM »
HiTech has stated many times dred that the takeoff cost is the final cost you pay if you die. it does not flucuate, if you have film of it doing that, i'd email HTC. a few times i thought it did something like that was because the roster was not refreshed on my FE.... try that always before taking up a perk ride. goto roster, and refresh, then goto hangar to see cost.

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2006, 11:31:40 AM »
I'll haveto recheck that out then. But there are alot of times If I take a perked item and it seems that it cost me more then its advertised price LOL

As for filming it.

There are alot of things I'd love to film and send if I could get the film viewer to work right.
Half the time if I want to view a certain portion of a film it seems to hang up in my machine and I just give up and turn it off out of disgust

Maybe Im just all thumbs with it but to me it doesnt seem very user friendly
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2006, 11:42:43 AM »
DRED: It works exatly as you describe it should. I.E. Price is fixed at spawn time.

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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2006, 12:12:02 PM »
No offense, but I asked about that a while back, and you said the same thing.
I'd been losing the price at time of death/bail rather than at spawn (e.g. spawn 262 for 150pp, -220pp @ death).
I can't try and see for myself now, though, so ignore this if it's really been fixed since.
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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2006, 12:42:41 PM »
many times i have upped a perk ride at cost x=100 then got some kills and then died in perk ride and have lost x=100+ perks  going to have to test this with film to confirm.
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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2006, 04:42:29 PM »
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DRED: It works exatly as you describe it should. I.E. Price is fixed at spawn time.

HiTech


Respectfully ... I beg to differ.

Many times I have lost more perks, for a Tiger, than what was orginally displayed in the hanger ... also, with multiple kills, which should have helped offset the initial cost, which in turn would lower the lost perk amount to be less than what I paid for it.

That is why I NEVER take a Tiger into the field ... If I get pinged ... its on pavement and I can tower out without losing more perks than what I paid.
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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2006, 05:35:02 PM »
Perk rides are charged at time of lose not what they were when you upped the perk ride.  So if your side vastly outnumbers the other side your perk ride cost more plus, as you should know, you score less perks.

So...if your perk ride cost 50 perks and sides were fairly even all's well but your in it for say 40 min taking you into prime time when your side outnumbers all others.  That perk ride is now 75 + perkies if you get killed and you suffer further by not collecting great perks in return for the ENY ballencer.
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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2006, 05:56:36 PM »
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Perk rides are charged at time of lose not what they were when you upped the perk ride.  So if your side vastly outnumbers the other side your perk ride cost more plus, as you should know, you score less perks.

So...if your perk ride cost 50 perks and sides were fairly even all's well but your in it for say 40 min taking you into prime time when your side outnumbers all others.  That perk ride is now 75 + perkies if you get killed and you suffer further by not collecting great perks in return for the ENY ballencer.



Thats what I was saying but.

Thats not what  HT just said.

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DRED: It works exatly as you describe it should. I.E. Price is fixed at spawn time.

HiTech



Now, who ya gonna beleive?
Me?
OR Hitech?
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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2006, 06:04:48 PM »
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Thats what I was saying but.

Thats not what  HT just said.

 


Now, who ya gonna beleive?
Me?
OR Hitech?
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Umm not in my world.  I'v upped Tigers and at time of death they have cost more.....even with a bunch of kills.

With all due respect HTC better check Gv's out.  Can't say I have noticed the same in planes just Tigers.
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