Flew in the AvA arena for a little last night... 190a5 vs 51B seemed a fairly even matchup. 1v2-3 it was still manageable. 109G6 vs. spitVIII seemed easy, but I'm used to turning with spits in K4's, so I guess a G6 should seem that way. I don't know (care) enough about 190's to say if they're busted or not... I will say that the A8 should be much better than it is, if pilot accounts of the plane are of any indication. Fix the flaps on 109's and they should be competitive in most historical matchups. You have to be better to fly 109's. I can live with that.