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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2006, 11:13:59 AM »
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i don't know about arming pilots with guns..maybe tazers or something


http://kwc.org/blog/archives/2004/2004-01-18.mythbusters_explosive_decompression.html
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« Reply #46 on: February 10, 2006, 11:19:28 AM »
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i don't know about arming pilots with guns..maybe tazers or something
What's not to know about it?  You trust a pilot to pilot you through the stratosphere at 600mph, but you don't trust 'em to repsonsibly use a gun?
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« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2006, 11:52:09 AM »
Was worried about a bullet(or bullets) causing explosive decompression in a plane that is at 44k alt with a cabin pressure of 8000'...that's all
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« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2006, 11:58:16 AM »
Had Bush been as Machiavellian* as the left believes he is, then he actually would have let some of the Al Qaeda attempts through the security grid rather than systematically shutting them down. This would have had the added benefit of reminding the American people that they really are at war. As it is, too many media cycles have passed since 9/11 and it all seems like a bad dream we once had. As it is, we've actually passed on to the point of believing that because the Jihadis haven't succeeded in striking the US again, that they aren't really trying. In that sense the government is being hamstrung by their own success.

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* That's the odd thing, thing, the left alternates between portraying Bush as Robber Baron, Machiavelli, Hitler, Jerry Fallwell, Tony Montana, George Wallace, J. Edgar Hoover, and Gomer Pyle. Which makes for an interesting, but self-contradictory composite.
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« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2006, 01:15:28 PM »
If you aim and hit what you're aiming at, and use the proper expanding ammunition, you don't have to worry about decompression. ;)
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« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2006, 01:19:18 PM »
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Please provide some evidence.... . I know this is asking a lot.
This was a topic of most talking heads about 2 years ago. The left kept saying bush was not doing enough and breaches were quite common.

Here is a couple articles:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5941454/

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Here's one Federal agency that really knows its stuff: the Secret Service. Why? Rigorous screening, training, and continuity. Rehearsal, grooming, constant monitoring. All the things that we don't have in the crapshoot that is airport security today...
http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=1903



Many articles on this here:
http://www.union-network.org/uniproperty.nsf/5afe972c01882f38c1256acb003d1ae1/aebc1e28ee486658c1256ad1004d5cc9?OpenDocument
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« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2006, 01:38:49 PM »
OK, you gave me one MSNBC article that said we needed more bomb sniffers, (2 years old), one op-ed piece that says the Secret Service would do a better job than the TSA. duh! And a slew of articles about airlines from September 2001.

funny, but hardly makes your point.
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« Reply #52 on: February 10, 2006, 01:40:46 PM »
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OK, you gave me one MSNBC article that said we needed more bomb sniffers, (2 years old), one op-ed piece that says the Secret Service would do a better job than the TSA. duh! And a slew of articles about airlines from September 2001.

funny, but hardly makes your point.
I could never give you enough to be satisfied, MT. Tough to argue a point when ones head is in the sand.
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« Reply #53 on: February 10, 2006, 01:52:58 PM »
Somebody's head is in the sand, it ain't mine.

I’m getting real tired of this "Left" BS. The left said this, the left said that, the left wants this or even the left is out to push that!

What a load of crap. This is the head numbing propaganda that the RIGHT WING MEDIA has brought down on this Country. Too many of you have swallowed this drivel hook line and sinker and are nibbling your way up the line to chew on the rod.

Liberal is bad...  how sad.

I promise from here on out to never write "the right" as if it were an entity. I'm tired of this stupidity and am going to do my part to stop it. You want to debate an issue, go for it. You want to create a boogie man and call him "the left" to try and create a point... I'm calling it BS.
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« Reply #54 on: February 10, 2006, 01:58:21 PM »
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You want to create a boogie man and call him "the left" to try and create a point... I'm calling it BS.


All you on the left are the same.
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« Reply #55 on: February 10, 2006, 02:13:55 PM »
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All you on the left are the same.


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« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2006, 02:42:07 PM »
beet... I am not sure that you got my point.   The terrorists didn't beat me... they beat the airlines.  I was never afraid to fly.... still not.   What I am is...

I am sick of being treated like a criminal when all I want to do is travel.  I refuse to be searched and delayed and whatever else they think of..  It just isn't worth it.

The terrorists didn't do this to me.... the government and the airlines did.

If they (the government and airlines)would have acted like men from the start instead of PC wussies... we woulda had armed pilots and airmarshalls and we woulda never even had 911.    Flying was never all that enjoyable but now.... it is an enormous drag.

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« Reply #57 on: February 10, 2006, 05:22:46 PM »
Lazs - yes I know the security procedures are tedious. And for local journeys (top half of France, Holland, Belgium) I'd rather just take the car on a ferry, or through the EuroTunnel - not really an option when travelling to tiny little islands off the coast of Africa, as I did last week.

Sirloin - I think the weapons carried by the sky marshalls/US pilots are low velocity weapons, designed not to penetrate the aircraft's outer skin. I found this article in today's paper: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/10/walq10.xml
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In addition, some American pilots now have side-arms and flights can also carry sky marshals, who are armed with low-velocity weapons to avoid piercing an aircraft's outer skin.
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« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2006, 05:46:00 PM »
Any idiot knows you can blow a hole in an airliner with a 44 Magnum and not suffer explosive decompression. IF they are carrying reduced power loads, it is to avoid overpenetrating their target and killing an innocent passenger behind the target. The biggest thing any air marshall is likely to carry is a 45ACP, same for pilots. Dirty Harry retired, no one carries a big hogleg anymore. Hell, I never carried anything bigger than a 357 Magnum in any agency I worked for, and never a bigger backup than a 45ACP. Even one of the VERY hot loads I hunt with would not cause explosive decompression in an airliner.
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« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2006, 07:05:05 PM »
Anyone watch "Mythbusters"  recently? They did just that, pumped up a "surplus" DC-10 and shot holes in it...fuselage, window...no explaosive decompression. They even blew the window out with det cord.

Now, when they stuck a pound of semtex on the wall...that was different :)
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