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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2006, 01:35:39 PM »
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Well Gunthr,


* Please notice I have used the sarcasm colour for our homo-erecti friends.


Err... Did I miss something ?

Yeager; I'm sure you'd easily learn how to use Google, it's not that hard :)

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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2006, 02:24:11 PM »
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Fishu, is this from a few years back or is this new?


"...what it said were previously unpublished images of physical abuse of Iraqi prisoners inside the U.S.-run Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad."

"...had been taken at the same time as the now-infamous photographs of U.S. soldiers abusing Iraqis in Abu Ghraib, which sparked international outrage in 2004."

More to the old case.
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2006, 02:26:52 PM »
Anyone else have serious doubts over whether the Western Democracies can actually fight and win a war against militant Islam?

The Islamic world goes into paroxysms of rioting, burning, and shooting if it is reported that a page of the Quran was flushed down a toilet somewhere, meanwhile in countries under Sharia law, it is impossible to build a new church, and bibles are a contraband item, and those one attempts to smuggle into those natians (such as Saudi Arabia) are actively destroyed. Worship meetings by religions other than Islam are actively broken up and the worshippers subject to violence by security forces in nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia, or mobs in countries like Pakistan and Indonesia, newspapers routinely publish anti-democracy, anti-Christian, and anti-semitic cartoons, and yet the only religious attrocities acknowledged by Al Jazeera are when a Danish newspaper prints a few tame and frankly boring cartoons featuring Muhammad.

We have grown used to hideous human rights abuses in Islamic countries and graphic images of Jihadis torturing, shooting, and beheading prisoners in countries like Chechnya, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Phillipines, etc. and yet the only real crimes against humanity occur when a few Brits put the boot in or a few Americans make naked human pyramids.

I am not saying that it is acceptable to make naked human pyramids, or kick prisoners, such things should be quietly dealt with by military justice, what I am saying is that we appear to have lost all perspective, and really have no clue how to go about fighting a war against men for whom unspeakable cruelty is a way of life. When we have an Islamic state working hard, and making it absolutely clear that this is their intent, to be able to launch a nuclear strike and wipe another nation off the map, and an entire section of the world "cheerleading" for them, we have to be fundamentally unbalanced, nay really and deeply screwed-up, to think that a two year old case of prisoner degradation is our biggest problem.

How long do we realistically expect to be able to maintain our current self-flagellating  approach? This is a road-map to painfully drawn-out but inevitable defeat, not victory. Either we bite the bullet, say "Democracy is better", and begin to work to actively replace their ideology or we will lose. Oh, and for heaven's sake, if you are going to fight a war, at least reinstate the same World War Two era levels of censorship that prevailed in AMERICA from 1941-1945 on your own press. Or was FDR "teh evil ChimpHitler" too? Democracy doesn't have to mean Anarchy. Get serious or give up.

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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2006, 02:40:36 PM »
Seagoon, we're not at war with Islam. Perhaps that's the problem.

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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2006, 02:57:25 PM »
Harry, Seagoon specified "militant Islam" in his first sentence - you know who they are - the ones cutting off heads and plotting  terrorist attacks to cause mass casualties.

Seagoon then goes on to describe life in Islamic countries...
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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2006, 03:37:54 PM »
in case anyone missed what seagoon said,

the nancy boys want us to "fight fair" and not do "anything wrong" because that will make us "as bad as them"

meanwile the bad guys can do anything they want because they are the "bad guys"

there is no fight fair in war. you fight to win

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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2006, 03:52:37 PM »
So the goal justifies the means?

Like in nazi-Germany in ww2?

ok.

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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2006, 03:57:40 PM »
I understand more and more why you want Iraq to be a democraty with a constitution some of you think America doesn't need either.

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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2006, 05:19:10 PM »
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Harry, Seagoon specified "militant Islam" in his first sentence - you know who they are - the ones cutting off heads and plotting  terrorist attacks to cause mass casualties.

Seagoon then goes on to describe life in Islamic countries...


You completely missed my point.


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in case anyone missed what seagoon said,

the nancy boys want us to "fight fair" and not do "anything wrong" because that will make us "as bad as them"

meanwile the bad guys can do anything they want because they are the "bad guys"

there is no fight fair in war. you fight to win


Tell me how abusing petty criminals in Abu Ghraib helps win the war? Seems to me that it’s helping the enemy.

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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2006, 05:24:01 PM »
well...they just showed some of the 'new' photos on CBC and there is a couple of them that are more severe than the original naked pyramids.
You know what though? If those prisoners are in support of what happened on 9/11, I frankly am prepared to look the other way. I wouldn't have said that a year ago, but I'm saying it now.
Their violent lifestyle is truely shocking; Just today there was a 70,000 person protest in Pakistan (3 killed) over cartoons. They want us dead or subjugated; That makes them an enemy.

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« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2006, 05:42:02 PM »
Holy Crap!~!

We've lost perspective? I suggest that you Seagoon have lost perspective. You are willing to accept or keep "on a low key" abuses by our side while emphasizing the same or worse that is admittedly committed by the enemy.

The whole objective of this "war on terror" should be to win over the hearts and minds of enough people in the world to make terrorism unacceptable and near immpossible to support. Sure we also need to kick some bellybutton but..

Our morals, our way of life is the best arrow we have in our quiver. We can't bomb terrorists into submission. We can't nuke an entire region. We can't stand forever as an occupying force and expect people to come around. We need to show the World that our way is better and we need to do it with an openness that leaves no doubt of our intensions. That may mean we air our own dirty laundry and clean up our own mess. We start sweeping this stuff under the table and we get a situation like we have today. The goodwill of the entire World was with us only 4 years ago.... Now it is almost all gone. Do you honestly think our Freedom of the Press caused this fall? Incredible!

Does anyone ever wonder why the one place in this Country that was actually attacked by terrorists would vote overwhelmingly AGAINST the war in Iraq?

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« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2006, 05:48:49 PM »
agreed midnight target.  I just hope this latest regurgitation of abuse photos doesnt get more people killed, people like jill carrol.  Revealing new photos from the year(s) old prison abuse snafu serves no worthwhile purpose now, but will only serve to motivate more extremism and get more people killed for no good reason.
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« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2006, 05:53:14 PM »
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well...they just showed some of the 'new' photos on CBC and there is a couple of them that are more severe than the original naked pyramids.
You know what though? If those prisoners are in support of what happened on 9/11, I frankly am prepared to look the other way. I wouldn't have said that a year ago, but I'm saying it now.
Their violent lifestyle is truely shocking; Just today there was a 70,000 person protest in Pakistan (3 killed) over cartoons. They want us dead or subjugated; That makes them an enemy.


So you condone this completely unnecessary abuse of enemy prisoners? Civilized people are measured not by how they treat their friends, but by how they treat their enemies. In my opinion you’re just as uncivilized as they are. And that makes you my enemy.

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« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2006, 06:00:30 PM »
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So you condone this completely unnecessary abuse of enemy prisoners? Civilized people are measured not by how they treat their friends, but by how they treat their enemies. In my opinion you’re just as uncivilized as they are. And that makes you my enemy.


don't mess with me...I didn't say I condone it, I said I have reached a point at which I am now going to disregard it

save the drama little girl

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« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2006, 06:30:37 PM »
who let harry out?

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