Aussie tv broadcasts new Abu Ghraib photos/video

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Fishu
Because it proves the torture was systematical instead of isolated cases by narrow minded cowboys.

Do you have some evidence that shows those already held responsible are not responsible for this?

All I got from the linked article was "While some of the latest pictures are similar to those images, others suggest further abuse in the form of incidents of killing, torture and sexual humiliation, Dateline said."

Well, I suppose if it's suggested it must be true.

[Seagoon]

Hello MT,

Originally posted by midnight Target
Holy Crap!~!

We've lost perspective? I suggest that you Seagoon have lost perspective. You are willing to accept or keep "on a low key" abuses by our side while emphasizing the same or worse that is admittedly committed by the enemy.

No MT, I haven't lost perspective, every day of every week I remember that I'm the guy in Fayetteville who is the first person the military will call if one of several men is killed in Afghanistan or Iraq. It is then my duty to be the first one to tell their wives and children. That is the reality I live with.

Therefore, when Aussie TV run old photographs that will further inflame an already hate-frenzied portion of the world, increase Jihadi recruitment, and further steel the resolve of martyrdom attackers, create mob violence, and strengthen the control of countless Imams, Mullahs, Sheiks, and dictators, whilst simultaneously sapping support in friendly areas - in short when men publish material that will make the lives of the good side harder and put them in greater danger, and make the job of the bad side easier, all to make money and score political points against "the right wing" I get frustrated and disgusted.

Either start treating this like a real, global war waged against an intractable ideology, and recognize that the other side is playing for keeps and will not give up and will continue to kill us at home if we don't. Or otherwise withdraw, surrender, and start handing out the hijabs and Qurans. But please, don't sacrifice the lives of the congregation I love just to ensure that Hillary beats whoever in '08.

No country I am aware of has ever won a war whilst simultaneously generating propaganda for the other side. Did the allies commit attrocities during WW2? Absolutely. Should we have been proud of that? Not at all. Should we have told the world in the middle of the war amidst huge displays of hand-wringing and handing the high ground to the Axis while demanding that Churchill, FDR and Stalin resign every five minutes? No.

But then again, back then we had moral clarity, and were determined to win no matter the cost. Oh, and back then no Republican in his right mind would have published information defaming the Allied forces in order to try to unseat FDR or undermine the administration. Any Republican who tried would have been universally excoriated by the American people. Sadly, times have changed. I sometimes wonder if we wouldn't be better off losing that we might actually learn first hand as Dhimmis what words like "intolerance" "torture" and "authoritarian" and "evil" actually mean.

- SEAGOON

[~Caligula~]

Seagoon...there isn`t a single thing that I disaggree in what You`ve said.
The west is yet to reallize that the cold war was a picnic compared to the mess we`re in now. I wish we had leaders like FDR and Churchill in our time...leaders the know what and how to do.

[SOB]

The Aussies clearly aren't with us, therefor they are against us.  Tag 'em up on the Axis of EVIL! Wall and we'll hit them after we get done with them Iraqis and Iranis and the rest 'o them Middle Eastis.

DOWN WITH KNOWLEDGE, UP WITH DOGMA!!!

[Debonair]

I still demand a photoshop of Lyndie England pointing at SOB's fish

[SOB]

Watch out man, me and my trout and Lyndie in the same picture would probably make Nash keel over dead in a fit of homoerotic pleasure.  

[-tronski-]

Originally posted by SOB
The Aussies clearly aren't with us, therefor they are against us.  Tag 'em up on the Axis of EVIL! Wall and we'll hit them after we get done with them Iraqis and Iranis and the rest 'o them Middle Eastis.

DOWN WITH KNOWLEDGE, UP WITH DOGMA!!!

The liberal govt. also knew millions of dollars was being given in bribes by the Australian Wheat Board directly to Saddam in a oil for food "deal", but thats so 3 years ago...plus we're extending our mechanised infantry battalion's tour in southern Iraq conveniently at the same time when we're trying to help the "Iraqi" government to forget that little detail...

...I think it's a fantastic idea to help regime change in australia!

 Tronsky

[Harry]

Originally posted by xrtoronto
don't mess with me...I didn't say I condone it, I said I have reached a point at which I am now going to disregard it

Then you condone it. I've seen many hypocrites here on this forum, mostly Americans, but you just made first place. I still have those photos you e-mailed me, showing US soldiers beheading Viet-Cong POWs. And I still remember how you used to berate the Americans on this bbs for "looking the other way" and defending US atrocities in Iraq. At least the Americans have very good reasons for acting uncivilized. As a Canadian you don't even begin to approach what they have endured as a nation and people, but you turned savage that much easier. How does it feel to be on the other side of the coin? Excusing, disregarding, feel free to use any euphemisms you like ... you're condoning it.

[Ghosth]

I'm with seagoon.

If you become aware that someone is stalking your house, that he intends to do nasty things to you & your family. That he will NOT stop until you and your family are dead or he is dead.  You'd do something about it, right?


This is no different.

They want to see the USA as the next 3rd world country.
They want us to be worse off than they are.
They want us under their thumb, as slaves or worse.
They want our culture and its values destroyed.

Our current culture is the biggest single threat Islam has had in 2000 years.
And they know it, and will do anything to fight it.

There is no peacefull coexistance.
One or the other is going to go down kicking and screaming.

I suggest that it not be us.

[DREDIOCK]

Good!
 Let em broadcast the pictures.
Let em torture em and broadcast that too.
Preferably all over the Middle East.

Screw em. The only way they will ever get it is if they see we can be just as nasty as they are.
Actually we would be far better off if we showed them we can be even more brutal and nasty then they are.

yea yea yea I know.
We dont want to be the same way they are.
We want to show we are above that...BOVINE SCAT (or BS for short)

What we see as "being above that" They see as our Weakness they use against us very very well and to great effect.

We as a culture have become too civilsed to be able to effectivly deal with these people.


In the movie Apocolypse Now we hear Colonel Walter E. Kurtz explains this perfectly when he talks about "the horror" and how it is used as a weapon.
They use it very effectivly. Its what they do. its what they understand.

Take into account that your average Iraqi doesnt understand why Saddam hasnt been executed yet.

These people cheer with glee at the sight of a westerner having his head hacked off.
They understand "the horror" perfectly They "get" that.

They would understand if the president went on worldwide TV and publically blew the brains out of one of these detainees.

THAT they would "get"
THAT they would respect.

This buisness of being nice and making nice nice with these people they dont get,understand or respect.

We wont stop these people by showing "we are better then them", or "above that"

The only thing that will work is by showing them we can be more phsycotic then they are

In their eyes what we call civilised they call weak or see as a weakness
We keep trying to apply our standards, our culture and our way of thinking to an area that has completely different standards, a completely different culture, and a completely different way of thinking.

And so long as we keep doing that.
We're going to have a hard time of it

[texace]

Originally posted by Harry
Then you condone it. I've seen many hypocrites here on this forum, mostly Americans, but you just made first place. I still have those photos you e-mailed me, showing US soldiers beheading Viet-Cong POWs. And I still remember how you used to berate the Americans on this bbs for "looking the other way" and defending US atrocities in Iraq. At least the Americans have very good reasons for acting uncivilized. As a Canadian you don't even begin to approach what they have endured as a nation and people, but you turned savage that much easier. How does it feel to be on the other side of the coin? Excusing, disregarding, feel free to use any euphemisms you like ... you're condoning it.

What if you just don't care?

[Staga]

Originally posted by Ghosth
I'm with seagoon.

If you become aware that someone is stalking your house, that he intends to do nasty things to you & your family. That he will NOT stop until you and your family are dead or he is dead.  You'd do something about it, right?

So would there be a reason why someone is stalking you and your family? Perhaps you emptied your hunting rifle to their home or threw a grenade inside their house from the window? Are you innocent?

[Suave]

If you don't like seeing ******* heathen prisoners get beat down, you might be a liberal.

[Suave]

Originally posted by texace
What if you just don't care?

That's what condoning means tex.

You have knowledge of, but just don't deem it important enough to do or say anything.

[DREDIOCK]

I condone it.

I'd also condone slowly lowering them into the shark tank during feeding time at SeaWorld and broadcasting that over there.