Author Topic: Need new Monitor (Read 1511 times)

Zaphod · « **on:** February 17, 2006, 12:40:29 AM »

I saw something somewhere on this board regarding lcd monitors. However I'm not sure it was up to date. I'm wanting a new monitor and am curious about lcds.

Currently I have a ViewSonic 19" flatscreen CRT upon which I run the game at 1280 X 1024. I'm having to lean way in to see the screen and would like to move to a larger viewable image.

1. Are LCD's as good as CRT's for gaming?

2. If so what spec.s should I be looking for? (contrast, delay or whatever)

3. Is a 19" LCD bigger than a 19" CRT (I have heard the viewable image is bigger on same size LCD vs CRT) or are they so similar so as to be better to move to say a 20 or 21"

4. Assuming an LCD is a valid option....what are some good brands, makes, models etc. ?

5. Can I use a widescreen LCD or does it have to be normal dimensions?

Zaphod

Krusty · « **Reply #1 on:** February 17, 2006, 12:49:22 AM »

Skuzzy or Pyro (can't recall) has pointed out that any CRT will always be better than any LCD for things like: blacks, darkness thereof, speed of refresh (LCDs sometimes "smear" the pixels as they move -- mine does) and for the ability to change resolution modes. There might have been other points, too.

With that said, LCDs work fine, too. Some claim if you get a refresh speed of 0.16ms or less then you won't get this "smearing". Mine has smeaing, being 0.26ms or some such. I got used to it, chances are most do.

So basically there's a couple of areas you want to look at, and once you decide what you want, you can say "Hrm.. maybe a CRT would be better" or "Maybe I'll get an LCD".

What are you looking for? That might help folks give you tips.

Zaphod · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2006, 12:14:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Skuzzy or Pyro (can't recall) has pointed out that any CRT will always be better than any LCD for things like: blacks, darkness thereof, speed of refresh (LCDs sometimes "smear" the pixels as they move -- mine does) and for the ability to change resolution modes. There might have been other points, too.

With that said, LCDs work fine, too. Some claim if you get a refresh speed of 0.16ms or less then you won't get this "smearing". Mine has smeaing, being 0.26ms or some such. I got used to it, chances are most do.

So basically there's a couple of areas you want to look at, and once you decide what you want, you can say "Hrm.. maybe a CRT would be better" or "Maybe I'll get an LCD".

What are you looking for? That might help folks give you tips.

Well....I need a bigger monitor so I have bigger planes on said monitor is really the bottom line I guess. I want the monitor for gaming...specifically AH2. I guess this is why I was wondering if a 19" LCD gives a bigger viewable image than a 19" CRT. I'm having a hard time finding a 21" CRT so I was thinking maybe a LCD would be the way to go (19 or bigger?)

Zap

FOGOLD · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2006, 12:25:48 PM »

I agree about the superior quality of CRT. However, they are really dead technology now. Soon you won't be able to get one. I bought a 20" NEC Multisync 2070NX and I'm very happy with it. You soon forget about any doubts.

I think we have to get used to LCD's for gaming now and get over it.

Krusty · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2006, 12:49:46 PM »

Don't forget that, if you're looking for a larger gaming surface to view, some video cards have TV-OUT capabilities, and an S-Video cable from the back of your PC to the back of your TV can give you 50" of gaming goodness.

Kev367th · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2006, 12:56:24 PM »

Only problem with TV-out is that you are 'limited' to max 60hz refresh rate.

Even the fastest LCD will still give some smearing.

Would really like to try it on a plasma screen.

Reschke · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2006, 03:27:53 PM »

6 years ago in the computer store I worked at we had a system setup to play Tribes on with a then kicking 42" Plasma. Of course the system was sitting about 15 feet away from the monitor/TV. I think that system in its last incarnation that I built was a P3 600 with 768MB RAM and a 2 9GB 10k rpm SCSI Cheetah drives with an Aureal A3D sound card, Diamond Monster II 12MB card (x 2 in SLi mode) with a Viper V550 in the AGP slot. All running on an ASUS P2B with the 440BX chipset with Windows 98 SE as its OS.

That muthersucker was flipping huge and talk about vertigo even from 15+ feet away you would get woozy as all get out playing on it.

Widewing · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2006, 11:54:11 PM »

Look at the Viewsonic VA912B, 19" LCD display. 8 millisecond response time. Comes with DVI cable too. I bought one for my wife (I use a 20.1" Viewsonic VP2030B LCD).

The VA912B can be bought from Provantage.com for $275 plus shipping (between $15 and $20). This is an excellent monitor/display for a very good price. Plug and Play set-up... just remember to set your resolution at 1280x1024 if it's not already.

And yeah, a 19" LCD does have a slightly larger viewable area than a 19" CRT.

My regards,

Widewing

whels · « **Reply #8 on:** February 18, 2006, 09:14:39 AM »

Love my Viewsonic vx924 19" LCD.

whels

DAVENRINO · « **Reply #9 on:** February 18, 2006, 04:49:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Don't forget that, if you're looking for a larger gaming surface to view, some video cards have TV-OUT capabilities, and an S-Video cable from the back of your PC to the back of your TV can give you 50" of gaming goodness.

S-Video??? YUUUUUKKKKK....!

I connect via DVI--->HDMI @ 1920x1080p

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Only problem with TV-out is that you are 'limited' to max 60hz refresh rate.

Even the fastest LCD will still give some smearing.

Would really like to try it on a plasma screen.

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with a 60hz refresh rate on a TV display. Does your TV's refresh rate bother your eyes? My friends are amazed at the stunning visuals of AH on my 58" DLP.

Also, there is ZERO detectable smearing with DLP wobulation technology. They don't actually have a response time.

JTs · « **Reply #10 on:** February 18, 2006, 08:07:55 PM »

samsung 930 or 940 both 19 inch

Soulyss · « **Reply #11 on:** February 18, 2006, 08:16:26 PM »

CRT still today will give you the best picture quality even in Televisions...
currently Plasma holds an edge in most cases over LCD for viewing, although LCD is steadily closing the gap. Each technology has it's advantages and disadvantages... I would never want to use a plasma for a computer monitor because I would be afraid of burn in. DLP is a fine techonology as well... I would just get annoyed at the thought of having to spend $400+ to replace the lamp every so often.

DAVENRINO · « **Reply #12 on:** February 18, 2006, 10:27:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Soulyss
CRT still today will give you the best picture quality even in Televisions...

I can't really argue that in most cases but a LOT of AVS forum members have dumped their old technology for the new higher res 1080p displays. CRT RP is the worst technology for Burn-In, weigh 600 lbs and take up half the room. DLP does not suffer from Burn-In. Mine is 19" deep and weghs 125 lbs.

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Originally posted by Soulyss DLP is a fine techonology as well... I would just get annoyed at the thought of having to spend $400+ to replace the lamp every so often.

My bulb is $349 and I have a 3 year warranty. New guns for a CRT are bout $2000. As you said, all technology has good and bad points - there is no perfect display but I love mine and it will accept the new HD DVD/Bluray and my puter over HDMI at 1080p.

Kev367th · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2006, 02:41:33 PM »

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Originally posted by DAVENRINO
S-Video??? YUUUUUKKKKK....!

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with a 60hz refresh rate on a TV display. Does your TV's refresh rate bother your eyes? My friends are amazed at the stunning visuals of AH on my 58" DLP.

Wasn't saying there was sometihng wrong with 60Hz, I just prefer being albe to play at 85Hz or higher depending on resolution. In fact I believe this holds true for the majority of gamers).

wrag · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2006, 12:03:34 PM »

New Samsung 960?

Think it has a 2 mls response time????

Do a look up!!!