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Offline Shifty

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« Reply #75 on: February 15, 2006, 04:58:58 PM »
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And Shifty, you geezer, furballs across the Channel ARE historically accurate.  For fighter pilots, that's generally what the war was in western Europe between mid-1940 and mid-1944, although the fights gradually moved inland and followed the paths of the bomber formations.  (For our purposes, it doesn't matter much if the oldman crashes into water or dirt.)  As to the historical accuracy of territorial capture in AH....please.  When, in the entire war, did one side capture an airfield by swarming it with fighters and then dropping a squad or two of infantry?

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Your right I am a geezer. But a Shifty geezer.:p
As far as your question......."When, in the entire war, did one side capture an airfield by swarming it with fighters and then dropping a squad or two of infantry?'

I think it was right around the same time that fighter pilots started getting killed , and being reincarnated in the tower from where their last mission started.;)

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« Reply #76 on: February 15, 2006, 05:38:05 PM »
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Make the game totally realistic: makeing some planes break down, mechcanical failures in flight, in takeoff or landing. defective bombs that dont explode on contact or worse explode in flight. When a player is capture or kill your done period. Please pay another 14.99 to start a new Pilot. How far do you all want to go with this historical junk?


Sorry I just thought this was off topic but I will be happy to respond.

I believe that what you are talking about here is not germain to the discussion.  We are presented with a plane set, a terrain.. lets say an environment in which we as players will enjoy the combat simulation.  We can make this as realistic as we wish and that is what the discussion is about.  You are asking questions here that are more rightfully asked of HTC.  We are players are not capable of making those decisions.  I myself would vote no to paying more.  But you were going to cancel your account over last Sunday, so I doubt you would disagree with me here.

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Heh. I was all set to go off on another rant, and thought better of it.

The "purpose" of the arena is to have an axis v. allies plane set, generally in a particular time frame, and with some effort made to have settings that are more "realistic" than those in place in the MA. You will get no agreement, from players, staffers or anyone else, beyond that.

Which is really why we're arguing. MY view of the purpose of the arena is to have exciting aerial fights that are as historically accurate as possible, in which each player has a sporting chance of survival. But that's not YOUR view, and I'm comfortable with that. Just expect that I'm going to complain if I think you're being a weenie with the way you fly or fight! (Note: Your bomber missions will not draw such a complaint.)


Oldman, we are not arguing here.  I am not mad about anything and hold no grudge against anyone involved in this discussion.  I have yet to strafe anyone or to use your term "vulch" in the AvA.   I personally will be more than happy to bow to the majority and follow conventional wisdom as to the use of strafing attacks on airfields.  I guess I would like to confess that  I did make a pass on an airfield just to strafe the control tower but again, that was for fun and the thrill of it.  Took 1 hit too.  Darn acks. :eek:

Now, if we are going to agree that "vulching" is bad.  Where do we draw the line?  How far do we let the enemy get from the airfield.  What altitude should we let them get?  This high mindedness of not vulching is all well and good, but we cannot just let the "No Vulching Please" sign go up without definitions.

1azbaer,

Thanks for the response to the questions.  How are the actions which you admitt too, and I too have done numerous times, any different than straffing someone landing or taking off?  Just because they are over the airfield?   That is a more protected area than most of the map.

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Let’s suppose for arguments sake vulching becomes a regular acceptable expected behavior in the AvA. Players won’t keep upping to protect the town, nobody cares about the town. You won’t be able to “get your vulch on” because they’ll just move back. All it would accomplish would be to increase the time between fights.


Kong, I have to agree, that is what will happen.  That's what happened to me when I was strafed on the runway during the BoB time period.
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« Reply #77 on: February 15, 2006, 07:28:42 PM »
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Originally posted by Shifty
Your right I am a geezer. But a Shifty geezer.:p
As far as your question......."When, in the entire war, did one side capture an airfield by swarming it with fighters and then dropping a squad or two of infantry?'

I think it was right around the same time that fighter pilots started getting killed , and being reincarnated in the tower from where their last mission started.;)
not a squad or two but 10 homicide bombers

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« Reply #78 on: February 15, 2006, 07:51:35 PM »
People come to A vs A to get away from the normal bs of the MA. If vulching, 25k alt monkeys become the norm aGAIN, then all the good will that was generated by ending the CT will be lost.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers

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« Reply #79 on: February 15, 2006, 08:01:32 PM »
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not a squad or two but 10 homicide bombers


An even better example.:aok

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« Reply #80 on: February 15, 2006, 09:11:22 PM »
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People come to A vs A to get away from the normal bs of the MA. If vulching, 25k alt monkeys become the norm aGAIN, then all the good will that was generated by ending the CT will be lost.
it's there right now.  fortuitously they are fairly green and die easily but joedog and kongkyuk just won't come down except to cherry pick.

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« Reply #81 on: February 16, 2006, 01:09:00 AM »
cherry picking and alt monkies are fair enough.  fly how you want.




vulching a plane that is wheels down does not belong in this arena.

period.
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« Reply #82 on: February 17, 2006, 11:29:07 AM »
If I'm in on a base with a heavy 47, I'm going to blast the ord,dar and fuel.
If anyone is stupid enough to try and up while the base is being hit with rockets and bombs then they are going to get hit too. I will blast those 8 50's right into anything upping, once the base is closed for fuel,ord and the dar is dead then I'm off to land, Is that vulching ? I think not, I think it's flying the 47 in a ground attack role for which it was designed to do.
If LW are dumb enough to try and up through this maelstrom then what can you say ?:aok

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« Reply #83 on: February 17, 2006, 11:36:00 AM »
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If I'm in on a base with a heavy 47, I'm going to blast the ord,dar and fuel.
If anyone is stupid enough to try and up while the base is being hit with rockets and bombs then they are going to get hit too. I will blast those 8 50's right into anything upping, once the base is closed for fuel,ord and the dar is dead then I'm off to land, Is that vulching ? I think not, I think it's flying the 47 in a ground attack role for which it was designed to do.
If LW are dumb enough to try and up through this maelstrom then what can you say ?:aok

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« Reply #84 on: February 17, 2006, 11:40:03 AM »
Let me help you out there Kong:
You up while I'm hitting the base, you end up in the tower again very quickly, it's called strafing or "targets of opprortunity" ( I think)
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« Reply #85 on: February 17, 2006, 12:56:02 PM »
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( I think)
You do?

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« Reply #86 on: February 18, 2006, 01:41:46 PM »
The argument of vulching has been around since the begining. Same old arguments.Those that have been around know it.

Arena *design* will funnel the type of play. Very hard to get all players to agree to type of play by any honor.

I respect Fencer's historical ambitions as friend and foe.
I respect Oldman for his work on an arena that at least has some semblance of having fights along with better plane balance.

The AvA is better because its not as crowded. However, when I log on as allies I still see high LW fighting in numbers which is no different than the MA. What to do. Either I have the choice of giving easy kills or do the same.

Myself, I've always enjoyed solo flying and just going at it so this game is not in my favor.

The early years of AW had the best arena. It was small enough to be personal yet large enough (70-100) to get *varied fights* (that's the key). Anything went. Vulching, DoK bloodpigs, etc.

A few flew at 25k and more than a few were hunted for it:) Most fights were under 10k. It takes all kinds or it'd be boring. You  flew to make your opponent miserable for the night. Hate is good and makes you a better pilot. But it was ALWAYS FUN!

What you really need is a 3rd arena.
The MA for the wild pork (those folks pay and are entitled to it)
A true historical arena for those folks that like it and yes strafing a runway would be viable;-)

The 3rd arena would be a true *fighting* arena. ..much like old AW. Some of you AHers fighter jocks who never knew it would really like it :) Porking would be next to nill as well as base capture. This would force more fights otherwise there would be nothing to do. The bases would be positioned to limit gangbangs although they would still exist,you could at least use your SA to avoid it or even tag it. Remember, gangbangs are primarily caused by base pork/capture because they *channel* the fights *at or near*the  bases as opposed to open ground.

That way everyone is happy which should be the intent.

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« Reply #87 on: February 18, 2006, 03:32:34 PM »
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... However, when I log on as allies I still see high LW fighting in numbers which is no different than the MA. What to do. Either I have the choice of giving easy kills or do the same. ...
When were you on last time? The allies have had the numbers for the last 2-3 weeks... I'd suggest you join the side with lower numbers.
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« Reply #88 on: February 18, 2006, 06:49:45 PM »
Obviously during non mission times.

And its not numbers per se. Fight style in numbers.

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« Reply #89 on: February 20, 2006, 05:15:41 PM »
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