N. texas shooters

[GreenCloud]

do not even think of getting a .223 caliber bolt action


308!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 only way to go in bolt..reach out and crack things open..no mouse rounds

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by Pei
Unless you Texans want to bury your heads in shame you better have bigger guns and more of 'em them thar Kalifornians!

I sold all my stuff when I got orders for Germany in 1994, (based on bad information at the time, I was told by the legal office on base you couldnt bring weapons into Germany)
so I used to have
.300 win mag, birdseye maple stock, mauser 98 action with a douglas barrel w/ 3x9 Bushnell scope
.350 Browning
30-30 Winchester Mod 94
32 Winchester Trapper
6.5 x55 Swed carbine
.22 Marlin semi auto
.12ga Stevens pump
.357 Ruger SAA flattop 3 screw
.22 SAA Sohn & sons, (colt replica)

Never got around replacing any of them when I came back, no time and no place to go hunting.  The only one I really miss is the .357 Ruger, it was a 3 screw, flattop and it did not have the safety conversion kit added to it so usually only loaded 5 rounds.  5 digit serial # 10XXX.  Had a really good custom wooden grips my wife found in a box at a gun show in Idaho.  I paid $160 for it in 1987

[lazs2]

did someone say sniper?

A 45mm that looks like a 1911 45 auto?  the thing must be about 4 foot tall huh?

lazs

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by RAIDER14
I have a 45mm handgun that big enough?

I'll bet it takes both hands to shoot that  recoil must sux

[JTs]

north texas pheasant hunting best in the world. someday maybe i'll try it with a gun

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by GreenCloud
do not even think of getting a .223 caliber bolt action


308!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 only way to go in bolt..reach out and crack things open..no mouse rounds

Like I said unless he his hunting anything bigger than white tail deer the 223 is just dandy.

I have pierced 1/2 thick steel plating with FMJ rnds from my 223.
I quaranty you it will do what you need it to do on most game out to 500yds.

And if your just gonna punch paper then why blow a wad of money on 308 ammo if a 223 or 17HMR will do the same thing?
In fact my 223 is far more accurat than a 30 cal at 100yds.

Im not sure what it cost to reload a 308 but my 223 is cheap to reload.
1lbs of H335 powder 22.00
1 box of fed 205 small rifle primers 1.75
1 box of 500 seirra machking 52 grn bulletts 53.00
100 rnds of rem brass 16.00

I will be willing to bet that per round the 223 is far less expensive than the 308.

Now having said all that if your gonna hunt mule deer or wild hogs or something ya better go with the 308 in fact I would go ahead and get the 300 win mag as the extra ammo cost over the 308 is very small but the ballistics out at 1000 yds is way better.

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by fartwinkle
Like I said unless he his hunting anything bigger than white tail deer the 223 is just dandy.
Depends on the state's regulations.  I cant say for Texas but Idaho required at least a 30 caliber weapon for large game (deer, elk etc) coyotes you could use 223 or 7mm

I have pierced 1/2 thick steel plating with FMJ rnds from my 223.
How close where you?

I quaranty you it will do what you need it to do on most game out to 500yds.
not without shot placement, and the further you have to shoot the harder it is to hit that sweet spot.
In fact my 223 is far more accurat than a 30 cal at 100yds.
accuracy is dependant on so many things,  when I bore sighted my .300 win mag I had a 3 shot group at 100yds you could cover with a quarter, or atleast a half dollar, but that was with a bench rest and sandbags, no wind etc.

Im not sure what it cost to reload a 308 but my 223 is cheap to reload.
1lbs of H335 powder 22.00
1 box of fed 205 small rifle primers 1.75
1 box of 500 seirra machking 52 grn bulletts 53.00
100 rnds of rem brass 16.00
I will be willing to bet that per round the 223 is far less expensive than the 308.

its been more than 10 years for me when I reloaded, only difference i could for see is bullets may cost a few bucks more for .30 vs 22, maybe a few cents more for primers

Now having said all that if your gonna hunt mule deer or wild hogs or something ya better go with the 308 in fact I would go ahead and get the 300 win mag as the extra ammo cost over the 308 is very small but the ballistics out at 1000 yds is way better.

I would agree about using a .308 for deer and hog and anything else for that matter.  but if you're gonna be hunting in brush I wouldnt use a .300 win mag again, and I dont remember the ballistics chart for the 300, but I never took a shot longer than 300 yds and for me personnally I wouldnt even attempt a shot further than 300yds

[lasersailor184]

north texas pheasant hunting best in the world. someday maybe i'll try it with a gun

Disagree.  The (wild) pheasants in Pennsylvania are like friggin rockets.  You're lucky to see one, much less get a shot off.

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by Airscrew
I would agree about using a .308 for deer and hog and anything else for that matter.  but if you're gonna be hunting in brush I wouldnt use a .300 win mag again, and I dont remember the ballistics chart for the 300, but I never took a shot longer than 300 yds and for me personnally I wouldnt even attempt a shot further than 300yds

I belive the current 1000 yard champ used a 300 win mag.
The 300win mag is a long distance cartridge.

You can use a 223 on white tail in tx.
But in Colorado for mule dear I think they require a 30 cal.

I was at 50 yds when I shot the steal.

I often put up groups that you could cover with your thumb nail with my 223.

Both the bulletts and brass cost more for the 308 also large rifle primers are more so shot for shot it is more expensive.

[Airscrew]

ok, just because my wife says I would argue with God
I googled some info
http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_ballistics_table.htm

I realize there are differences in ballistics data, depending on powder, bullet weight, barrel length, etc,  so I just grabbed one for an example.

The 300win mag is a long distance cartridge.
.300 Win. Mag. (180 Sp)  MV - 2960fps, V @ 200 yds - 2540fps,  ME (ft lb)3501ft lb,  E @ 200 yds - 2578ft lb
Target shooting? ok 1,000 yard shot kill some paper.  Hunting? I personnally wouldnt take a shot longer that 300 yards.  I dont remember the math but at 1,000 yards I doubt there is very much kinetic energy left, (maybe 700lbs give or take) plenty to kill with but then you'd have to drill'em in heart or the head.  

You can use a 223 on white tail in tx.
.223 Rem. (55 Sp) MV  3240fps,  V @ 200 yds 2304fps,   ME (ft lb) 1282ft lb,   E @ 200 yds 648ft lb

.308 Win. (180 Sp)  MV - 2620,  V @ 200 yds - 2198,   ME (ft lb) 2743,    E @ 200 yds 1930

.223 would require better shot placement and luck.  Luck and I dont get along well, I would rather use a .308

[Slash27]

Originally posted by fartwinkle
Hey we cant let all those dude in Kalifornia have all the fun can we?
Anyone up to meeting at backwoods trap for some shootin?

Anytime anyday Im always availible.

Im in. Where in N. Texas are you?

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by Slash27
Im in. Where in N. Texas are you?

Plano wanna go shootin?

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by Airscrew
.350 Browning

I had it wrong, it was a 358 Browning BLR.  I didnt like it back then, smallest bullet I could ever find for reloading was a 180gr i think.

[Toad]

.308 is a far better deer cartridge than .223. Those energy stats tell all.

Pheasants? Pah. South Dakota, Kansas and Iowa are where it happens. Anywhere else is an "also ran".

[superpug1]

Backwoods huh? lol id love to go there sumtime but they kicked me n my dad out for "rapid fire" (more than one round every 2 seconds). It sucked to cause we had better groups that the dude with the deer rifle and i was using a M48 mauser lol