Author Topic: Civil War in Iraq? (Read 1891 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #45 on:** February 23, 2006, 10:38:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
No, Rip. I don't know how much more clear I can make this. The phrases, "You said..." and "I remember you saying..." denote spoken language. Do you understand? Spoken, not written. You said those words on the local vox channel.

Huh? I've not been on AH for something like 3 years...either way, my statement still stands. Minority.

Rolex · « **Reply #46 on:** February 23, 2006, 10:49:35 AM »

Yes, it was a few years ago and you did say it. I remember it very clearly. You flew as a Knight and I even remember the people you were talking to. It's uncanny how the quote you pulled up about Reagan's speech used the same imagery and similar phrasing, isn't it?

I remember it so well because I thought is was such a 'Ripsnort-esque' thing to say. As if you were a caricature of yourself. It got a lot of laughs and chuckles at the time.

Well, there we have it. Either you've changed your mind, or maybe you just play to the audience.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #47 on:** February 23, 2006, 10:54:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
Yes, it was a few years ago and you did say it. I remember it very clearly. You flew as a Knight and I even remember the people you were talking to. It's uncanny how the quote you pulled up about Reagan's speech used the same imagery and similar phrasing, isn't it?

I remember it so well because I thought is was such a 'Ripsnort-esque' thing to say. As if you were a caricature of yourself. It got a lot of laughs and chuckles at the time.

Well, there we have it. Either you've changed your mind, or maybe you just play to the audience.

Don't bother to refute the fact that its a minority voice, continue on with your assault on me.

Rolex · « **Reply #48 on:** February 23, 2006, 11:28:14 AM »

Assaulting you?

We better get you to a victim counseling clinc soon.

Hangtime · « **Reply #49 on:** February 23, 2006, 11:37:15 AM »

a government run one would be appropriate.

tedrbr · « **Reply #50 on:** February 23, 2006, 01:28:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yeah, we should have just let them sacrifice a few thousand citizens to brutal dictatorship each year in order to have stability.

You guys crack me up.

Prez Bush made a statement a couple months back that I simply loved. He mentioned that some 30,000 Iraqis had died in the pursuit of freedom and democracy in that country since the invasion (possibly a low figure too from what I saw in my little slice of hell while there), and he felt "it was worth it".

I have to wonder how many dead is not worth it.....

Now if the CIC of the USA is willing to sacrifice Iraqis in job lots to get the job done, what have you got against a few thousand sacrificed for stability?

Fewer Iraqis died each year and Iraq was THE most secular Arab nation under Saddam, and even though he was robbing the treasury blind, the public services were still in better shape before we blew them to smitherines. Torture, abuses, squalid prisons, cruellity.....sure that existed.....want to take a look at the world map at where else such "bad things" are taking place, and no one is doing much to change things (read as: no oil)?
Taking out a dictator was not one of the original reasons the USA went in to Iraq (and none of the official reasons given have ever realy tracked), and would be a very poor reason to give now, considering conditions in many other countries today.

Course, Saddam's two boys were FAR worse than the old man, and would taken things to a whole new level over there had they lived to take power..... even fans of Saddam are glad those two are dead and gone.

tedrbr · « **Reply #51 on:** February 23, 2006, 01:54:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
I'm still pulling for Iraq. This was almost certainly an Al Qaeda attack. The partisan politicos who are hopeful to see their dire predictions born out are secretely satisfied to see trouble in Iraq, but they underestimate Iraqis and they're oblivious to the fact that most Iraqis are capable of putting two and two together.

If the government and various religious leaders can hold together after this bombing of the holy shrine, Iraq will be able to weather anything Al Qaeda throws at them. Long live Iraq.

I dunno....most people in the region love to believe in conspirocy theories. A lot of Iraqis I met actually believed we could have ended the Insurgency in a couple months, but allows them to continue to justify occupying their country.

It is Gar-Un-TEED some Imams or Muftis have already made statements blaming the United States for the bombing.

And regadless of what they do or do not believe, how they choose to use the bombing to their own benefit will also come into it. There's a huge resentment of the Shia for the years they suffered under the Sunni, in a society that takes blood fueds and revenge very seriously --- almost the national sport. That includes those in government.

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Originally posted by Westy
Who really give a flying fugg if they do? Let them kill each other. If they got tired of it then it would be up to themselves to shed thier own blodd to change thgings.

All about the oil. The Coallition Governments don't want the Middle East to implode because of ...(wait for it...) OIL. Iraq desolves into civil war, neighboing countries get dragged in on religious grounds, Persian Gulf is shut down. World economies collapse. Can we say "Energy Crisis"? I thought we could.

Nope, those in power are far more willing to sacrifice the lives of soldiers and even civilians on the alter of self interest and commercialism. "And men with tall hats will thump their chests...."

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 23, 2006, 02:01:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I believe if you do a post search, you'll find a very small minority that have said that. This is just what sticks in your mind, so that's what you use for a blanket statement for the majority.

(looking at your avatar)

Clearly you have no interest in helping Muslims, your sole purpose is to be the blind-to-reality-GOP-puppet that you've always been:aok

Ripsnort · « **Reply #53 on:** February 23, 2006, 02:01:56 PM »

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Originally posted by tedrbr
Taking out a dictator was not one of the original reasons the USA went in to Iraq

Yes it was. Its called Freedom from a dictator. You'll find it in the national archieves under Speeches given by President Bush.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #54 on:** February 23, 2006, 02:02:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
(looking at your avatar)

Clearly you have no interest in helping Muslims, your sole purpose is to be the blind-to-reality-GOP-puppet that you've always been:aok

Calling names doesn't help your arguement.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #55 on:** February 23, 2006, 02:04:16 PM »

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Originally posted by tedrbr

All about the oil. The Coallition Governments don't want the Middle East to implode because of ...(wait for it...) OIL. Iraq desolves into civil war, neighboing countries get dragged in on religious grounds, Persian Gulf is shut down. World economies collapse. Can we say "Energy Crisis"? I thought we could.

Nope, those in power are far more willing to sacrifice the lives of soldiers and even civilians on the alter of self interest and commercialism. "And men with tall hats will thump their chests...."

Ripsnort · « **Reply #56 on:** February 23, 2006, 02:09:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
I'm still pulling for Iraq. This was almost certainly an Al Qaeda attack. The partisan politicos who are hopeful to see their dire predictions born out are secretely satisfied to see trouble in Iraq, but they underestimate Iraqis and they're oblivious to the fact that most Iraqis are capable of putting two and two together.

If the government and various religious leaders can hold together after this bombing of the holy shrine, Iraq will be able to weather anything Al Qaeda throws at them. Long live Iraq. [/B]

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In Diyala, a religiously mixed province northeast of Baghdad, 47 bodies were found in a ditch. Officials said the victims appeared to have been stopped by gunmen, forced out of their cars and shot in an industrial area near Baqouba, 35 miles northeast of Baghdad. Most were aged between 20 and 50 and appeared to include both Sunnis and sh-i-i-tes, police said.

Stringer · « **Reply #57 on:** February 23, 2006, 02:22:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Huh? I've not been on AH for something like 3 years...

Off-topic, but.......

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Damn, freakin' lurkers that don't even fly AH

tedrbr · « **Reply #58 on:** February 23, 2006, 02:34:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yes it was. Its called Freedom from a dictator. You'll find it in the national archieves under Speeches given by President Bush.

Getting rid of an "evil" dictator that was actively seeking to produce WMDs for the purpose of using them against the United States and was said to be considered a real and imminent threat, I think would be a little more accurate statement of one of the many original reasons given..... If it was simply freedom from a dictator, we'd have to invade another 20 countries or so.....

Besides....Bush sez many things in his speeches.... I personally like those that can be interpreted along the lines of "I'm going to do whatever I want" and "trust me, I know what I'm doing".