Author Topic: Supreme court to re-visit late term abortion ban (Read 2311 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #30 on:** February 23, 2006, 02:14:14 PM »

I think we all agree that it is not our right to throw a 2 week old baby into a dumpster because it is inconvienient for us to take care of it.

We might all agree that we can't bash it in the head the second the head emerges from the womb...

we might all agree that a "morning after pill" is an abortion we can all live with...

We need to figure out when we got one persons rights to think of (mother with fetus) or... we have two people in one body.

I do agree that the government should not have anything to do with abortion or any medical proceedure tho.

lazs

Seagoon · « **Reply #31 on:** February 23, 2006, 02:45:48 PM »

Silat,

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Rip let me make this perfectly clear to you:
Your rights end at my daughters skin.........................

There are countless examples where that isn't the case. For instance, people don't have the right to swallow a considerable quantity of highly radioactive material and walk around in public, or continue to have unprotected sex with unknowing partners once they have been diagnosed with HIV, or smuggle illegal drugs internally and so on. Skin is not an absolute barrier to the laws of the state.

But, here I'm just curious, why do you feel more attachment to allowing your daughter to do what she wants than to preserving the life of your grandchildren?

- SEAGOON

midnight Target · « **Reply #32 on:** February 23, 2006, 03:05:34 PM »

8 month old baby?

Did you celebrate your kid's 1st birthday 3 months after it was born?

texace · « **Reply #33 on:** February 23, 2006, 03:25:03 PM »

Much like the gun laws in the UK and drug laws in the US, a law against abortion wouldn't stop it from happening. It would just make it...illegal. Anyone who thinks that if the government bans abortions it will magically go away should be slapped upside the head.

What if the government bans abortions, then somewhere a woman and her unborn child dies of complications while in labor? What if the doctors knew this and could have saved the woman's life by aborting the baby? Who takes the blame for the deaths? Medical accident?

Let the woman do whatever the hell she wants with her body and whatever's attached to it. The government needs to quit wasting time and money trying to find ways of protecting us from ourselves...

Ripsnort · « **Reply #34 on:** February 23, 2006, 03:26:30 PM »

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8 month old baby?

Did you celebrate your kid's 1st birthday 3 months after it was born?

My kids were born upon conception. Their live birth was 9 months later...

Thrawn · « **Reply #35 on:** February 23, 2006, 03:58:52 PM »

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In the liberals mind, its a "Fetus", you see, that 3cm of skin makes it have no rights!

Um, actually that's the scientific term. From the latin "fetus", strangely enough. I can understand how you would want to appeal to the emotional implications of the term baby though. Rational debate has never really been your strong suit, but you certainly have rhetoric pinned down.

I'm glad you find the this topic so humourous though.

Delirium · « **Reply #36 on:** February 23, 2006, 04:11:47 PM »

Never understood why someone can be tried for a double murder of a pregant woman, but abortion is still illegal... on this premise, I imagine a viable fetus abortion will remain illegal.

I'm actually all for abortion in cases where rape or health problems are a direct link but I don't like abortion used as a form of birth control, not only for the mother's health but also for the cost on the health care system.

Lastly, abortion in any manner would have to be, and remain legal. Unfortunately, too many deaths were caused by the poor girls doing it themselves in the past and would revert to that type of behavior if was made illegal in the future.

Aborting a fetus at 2 months is far easier than aborting one at 6+ months, most women have to have a DnC done at this point, and even at 2 months it is recommended for the mother's health.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #37 on:** February 23, 2006, 04:31:45 PM »

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Much like the gun laws in the UK and drug laws in the US, a law against abortion wouldn't stop it from happening. It would just make it...illegal. Anyone who thinks that if the government bans abortions it will magically go away should be slapped upside the head.

Are you serious? Are you really that stupid?

Guns are items. Abortions are services.

If guns are banned, they can be hidden and still distributed because they are actual items.

If abortions are banned, those who were trained to perform them would not perform them. You'd still have back alley abortions, but the proportion of this happening to what we have now is incredibly insignificant.

Delirium · « **Reply #38 on:** February 23, 2006, 04:37:12 PM »

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If abortions are banned, those who were trained to perform them would not perform them. You'd still have back alley abortions, but the proportion of this happening to what we have now is incredibly insignificant.

Not true... in the past abortions were done at home with coathangers and other home-made devices. This is dangerous and caused many women to bleed to death... it was common, many times they termed the cause of death as 'abruptio placentae' in last term home grown abortions.

I'd rather have a professional do the DnCs than have some confused 17 year old mother doing it herself.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 23, 2006, 04:43:25 PM »

You don't agree with it, but you would allow it because you believe some handsomehunk is going to try to do it and hurt themselves?

Btw, people are throwing around terms like "lots" or "many" (mostly me). How many girls died doing an abortion on themselves?

Delirium · « **Reply #40 on:** February 23, 2006, 04:49:36 PM »

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How many girls died doing an abortion on themselves?

Like I posted above, accidents were usually termed as 'abruptio placentae' to save the family the embarassment, so it is impossible to really know.

Suffice to say, we all have heard stories of coathangers and pushing a mother down the stairs on purpose. However, I'd rather see it all legalized than see a mother hemorrhage doing it herself.

Here is a graph, but I'd imagine this is a very conservative estimate. Note, it is hosted by a pro-abortion site, but is labeled 'National Center for Health Statistics'.

midnight Target · « **Reply #41 on:** February 23, 2006, 04:50:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
My kids were born upon conception. Their live birth was 9 months later...

They are both probably a year behind in school then.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #42 on:** February 23, 2006, 04:52:39 PM »

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Not true... in the past abortions were done at home with coathangers and other home-made devices. This is dangerous and caused many women to bleed to death... it was common, many times they termed the cause of death as 'abruptio placentae' in last term home grown abortions.

I'd rather have a professional do the DnCs than have some confused 17 year old mother doing it herself.

I really doubt it was common.

I bet thats just planned parenthood propaganda. But I could be wrong, anyone ever seen any real statistics on this?

( I am pro right to murder unborn children by the way, its none of my buisness and if there is a god, they will pay the price and if there isnt it doesnt matter anyway, if they want to live with the choice more power to them I just want the hole ****ing issue to go away. )

Edit Delirium you post was not up when I was typing this but if your chart is right, planned parenthood propaganda is right on target.

I am sure more people drown in bathtubs in 1960 then died from ilegal abortions.

Delirium · « **Reply #43 on:** February 23, 2006, 04:53:52 PM »

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You don't agree with it, but you would allow it because you believe some handsomehunk is going to try to do it and hurt themselves?

Exactly... even today, I've seen too many women (ages as young as 14 to a woman 38 years old who was cheating on her husband) have complications from a home-grown abortion that almost cost them their lives.

Silat · « **Reply #44 on:** February 23, 2006, 04:56:54 PM »

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The living or the aborted daughter? Do you believe a baby has the right to life when it can grasp, suck its thumb, have eyelashes, nails and sleeps alot? Thats at 2nd term Silat. How would you feel if you were a father where your wife decided to leave you, and not only that, she's decided to abort the 6 month old fetus inside her by letting a doctor puncture the childs' brain and suck out it out, then dismember the child and remove it piece by piece. How would you feel then? Still "her" right?

1st term abortions, I have no problems with. I don't agree with them, but I do think its a womans right. Once that fetus is developed and could potentially live outside the womb (with medical help) I think its murder except in special circumstances where the health of the baby, or the health of the mother is in jepordy.

Rip you feel very strongly and that is ok. But your feelings on the matter shouldnt have anything to do with my LIVING WALKING TALKING daughters decisions about HER body.. If you dont want an abortion then dont get one.