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Offline WhiteHawk

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Bang for the buck??
« on: February 25, 2006, 07:58:41 AM »
What is best bang for the buclk.    AMD 3700 san diego at $201.  Or AMD 3800 manhatten at $300.  I guess the question is is the 3800 worth the extra 33% in the price?.
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2006, 10:16:00 AM »
I'd say if it's not a 33% increase in speed or performance no. I'd rather spend that $100.00 on more game software or memory, HD etc. rather than a fractional increase in speed.
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2006, 10:47:25 AM »
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I'd say if it's not a 33% increase in speed or performance no. I'd rather spend that $100.00 on more game software or memory, HD etc. rather than a fractional increase in speed.


Thats my thoughts also. Thnx.,
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Re: Bang for the buck??
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2006, 06:22:09 PM »
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What is best bang for the buclk.    AMD 3700 san diego at $201.  Or AMD 3800 manhatten at $300.  I guess the question is is the 3800 worth the extra 33% in the price?.


This is a rhetorical question right?  For the extra $100 in video card or memory would provide an actual improvement you could see/feel.  You aint gona notice 3700-3800.
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2006, 07:12:55 PM »
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This is a rhetorical question right?  For the extra $100 in video card or memory would provide an actual improvement you could see/feel.  You aint gona notice 3700-3800.


Do you know for a fact that the 3700 and 3800 are not noticeably different outside of the 100 bucks?  I wouldnt think the difference would be worth 100 bucks, but why the spike in dollars?  Maybe theres a cache thing going on or something.  I dunno.  Like the guy said, ask a lot of questions before you buy.
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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2006, 07:46:20 PM »
Ahh yes.  Upon further review it looks like the manchester, (i called it the manhatten earlier) has twice the l1 and l2 cache that the san diego has.  I dont know what effect cache has on gaming.  So i guesss that is what the quesiton boils down to.  is the extran 64 KB  cache on l1 and l2 worth 100 bucks?
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2006, 07:58:04 PM »
"Manchester" and "Toledo" are the names of AMD X2 chips.  The 3800+ Manchester is a Dual Core model.  That's where the extra $100 comes in. The single-core 3800+ chips are code-named "Venice" and "Newcastle"
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2006, 10:02:12 PM »
The price diff is because one is dual core.  Which will make exactly zero difference in most gaming situations and isnt worth the extra $100.  By the time dual core is worth getting that 3800 will be considered slow anyway....and yes I know that there is no real gameplay improvement from a 3700 to a 3800.....and certainly an extra $100 in  video card would provide a real and very noticable improvement. :aok
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2006, 05:53:01 AM »
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The price diff is because one is dual core.  Which will make exactly zero difference in most gaming situations and isnt worth the extra $100.  By the time dual core is worth getting that 3800 will be considered slow anyway....and yes I know that there is no real gameplay improvement from a 3700 to a 3800.....and certainly an extra $100 in  video card would provide a real and very noticable improvement. :aok


Thank you :).  Excellent answer.
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2006, 08:21:45 AM »
From another post by Skuzzy -

"Aces High II is one of a few games in the industry who do make true use of multi-threading."

Therefore it will make use of dual cores or dual CPU's.
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2006, 09:13:19 AM »
What is the purpose of a dual core.  Is that the equivelant of Hyper threading?  Does it help in multi tasking or what?
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2006, 12:31:52 PM »
A dual core means you have two separate CPUs so that one can be doing one task and the other a different task simultaneously.  I think Suzzy said AH lets one core do the networking task while the other core does the game tasks like rendering.  Hyperthreading (HT) is sort  of like that, it allows some kind of "free lunch" type of multithreading but with a single CPU.  In reality I think it's just, well, hype.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2006, 01:26:02 PM »
Slight difference with hyperthreading -
Single CPU but if there are 'spare cycles' it will assign them to a different task.
From a description -
"Called "hyperthreading," the new technology essentially takes advantage of formerly unused circuitry on the Pentium 4 that lets the chip operate far more efficiently--and almost as well as a dual-processor computer. With it, a desktop can run two different applications simultaneously or run a single application much faster than it would on a standard one-processor box. "

Dual Core
Two CPU's on one die.
From a description -
"A dual-core CPU combines two independent processors and their respective caches and cache controllers onto a single silicon chip, or integrated circuit"

With AH2 the threads that are multi-threading/hyperthreading aware are run on different 'cores'.
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2006, 02:33:27 PM »
Yea, its kinda confusing cuz the amd 3700 san diego says hyper threading is supported.  I was thinking dual core was amd's hyper threading but it must be completely different.   Oh well, I ordered the 3700 san diego for 213 bucks.  Next up, RAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM:t .
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2006, 03:00:39 PM »
3700 can't support hyperthreading, it's only a single core.

Good ram -

2x1Gb (total 2Gb) - $229.99-$30 MIR = $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146425
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