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Offline miko2d

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« on: September 27, 2000, 07:16:00 PM »
 Thou shalt not kill!
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 Thou shalt not murder!

 This is a translation from latin which is a translation from greek and that one from Hibrew.

 Anyone for whom Hibrew is the native language, what does it really say/mean?

 We have to define our terms before arguing.

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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2000, 10:13:00 PM »



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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2000, 10:23:00 PM »
Thankyou for your contribution shade.  It was.. well.. childish.

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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2000, 10:25:00 PM »
Bye.

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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2000, 10:37:00 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2000, 10:43:00 PM »
welcome back  

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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2000, 11:30:00 PM »
Shade easy boy!  The O'Club is kind of like the Cantina in Star Wars.  Don't come without a blaster or a Wookie!

 

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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2000, 01:13:00 AM »
Thankyou for the reply Shade.. see my first post.

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Offline Udie

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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2000, 01:21:00 AM »
You know, there are alot of pissed off people out there.  There a full moon right now or something?

Udie

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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2000, 02:02:00 AM »
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2000, 03:06:00 AM »
Hey shade, what a finesse  

Is'nt this the o'club?

Where we can defecate our stupid BS freely?

Most part of us debate for the taste to debate, it's so hurting for you?

Since you are so sensible, simply dont read.

Anyway, welcome in the flame and BS community  

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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2000, 04:13:00 AM »
Heh I don't care either way (with regards to the question). What that collection of writings say has been said since the beginning of human society.

Do something the group as a whole agree on is good, and the killing is justified.  something the group think is bad, it ain't.

The Christian doctrine acknowledges this. The debates I've had with apologetics regarding this topic always start out with them explaining that the Hebrew meaning is "murder", not "kill". Since a murder is an unlawful killing, we're down to group dynamics and social interaction and the rules within those.

Personally, I've been forced away from the easy answer of "what does [insert religious document] say on this?" (each to his own) and into the realm of cultural relativism. Of course, there are universals here, and unlawful killing is one of those that have been around in every major culture since the dawn of time. Social animals need "rules of conducts", if you will, to ensure the continuation of the species.

In the US the death penalty is an accepted norm within the group. In most European countries, it ain't.

The way I see it; you kill anything, you're a killer. You kill another human, then you cross a cultural taboo that's been encoded in us, and you'd need certain conditioning to be ok with it. The quick answer is that technically, the lawful killing of another person doesn't make you a murderer. On a more abstract leve, technicalities aside, the case is less clear cut, at least to me.

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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2000, 04:15:00 AM »
 Dont know the language. But I have read that, in ancient hibrew, it was "thou shalt not murder". This is the oldest text found with the commandments written.

 The "not kill" was a result of christen ( read that, platonic) influence.

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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2000, 06:06:00 AM »
Shade - you are an idiot.

All of a sudden, there are people announcing to world (as if anyone gives a toejam) that they are NOT going to do something. For god' sake, grow up; don't make such a fuss, and just GO!!!!

BTW - this is the O-club - if the things you read here bore you, fine, that's your choice. But some people like discussing the issues that arise here.

I'm sure you know where the door is. Goodbye.

I can't believe I've just replied to you, shade. What a waste of time.
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2000, 07:59:00 AM »
Isn't this guy the jerk that that other dude from the other WW2 sim forum posted warning us about?