Author Topic: Perk Planes (Read 1437 times)

Boxboy · « **on:** March 02, 2006, 01:02:40 PM »

I am wondering how the selection which planes get perked and which do not is done???

For example why the chog and not the typhoon??? or the F4U-4 but not the P-51???

I thought at first it was the gun/ammo load/speed but it seems there are some planes that are not perked that are clearly BETTER than some that are??? Example LA-7 vs F4U-4/F4U-1C

I am not complaining I just wonder how it was done.

Jim "Boxboy" Harrison

Pooface · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2006, 01:25:05 PM »

f4u is faster, and more maneuverable than an la7 at altitude. it's a very uber ride. and the c ho was perked because SOOO many people used it that perking it was the only option. other planes are perked on performance, scarcity, things like that

Boxboy · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2006, 01:36:44 PM »

Ok so based on what you say about the Chog then we should now be perking the LA-5/7 and Spits?????

Also saying the F4U-4 is uber at alt??? what alt and what is the average alt for fights in the MA (the only place perks mean anything)?? I mean if the F4U-4 has an advantage at 15K and most fights are at 5K then the alt/performance really means nothing for the obivous everyday fights in the MA right??

I am right in thinking perk planes only effect the MA ???

Hoarach · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2006, 01:44:08 PM »

Most fights at 5k?!?!?!?!?!?!

Most of the time last night Ive been having to go to 15k over an enemy base just to still look up at the enemy OVER THEIR OWN BASE.

Furball · « **Reply #4 on:** March 02, 2006, 02:01:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Boxboy
Ok so based on what you say about the Chog then we should now be perking the LA-5/7 and Spits?????

Also saying the F4U-4 is uber at alt??? what alt and what is the average alt for fights in the MA (the only place perks mean anything)?? I mean if the F4U-4 has an advantage at 15K and most fights are at 5K then the alt/performance really means nothing for the obivous everyday fights in the MA right??

I am right in thinking perk planes only effect the MA ???

F4U4 is uber at any alt.

they are perked as they were not used historically in any major numbers or to keep sanity in the MA.

Pooface · « **Reply #5 on:** March 02, 2006, 02:49:22 PM »

and the la7s and spits of the present are no where near the numbers of chogs there used to be. it was 50% of all the planes as some points

spits and lgays together now would only be 15-20%

Hoarach · « **Reply #6 on:** March 02, 2006, 03:06:45 PM »

Poo more then that. 3 out of every 5 planes I see are either a dweebfire or a lgay.

Boxboy · « **Reply #7 on:** March 02, 2006, 03:24:15 PM »

LOL ok I can't stand it anymore is Furball Hangtimes cat???? U see before I was Boxboy the Handle was BigJim and I was around when AH was in beta so Poo I remember the screaming about chogs but back then it was the 20mm cannons and HO's that everyone was screaming about, since that time HT has added many many cannon armed planes, and STILL the chog remains perked when it clearly is NOT uber anymore. (when compared with the Typhoon which is NOT perked)

As for the F4U-4 being uber at any alt, maybe in the hands of some uber pilot but for us dweebs it is not much better than the -1D at low levels it does have some speed with which to escape but not fast enough to out run the LA-7 or any of the 109's since it does not accelerate very fast.

I thought that maybe since I left AH about 9 years ago that maybe the formula for perking had changed, hence the question.

Saxman · « **Reply #8 on:** March 02, 2006, 03:29:51 PM »

Well, the Corsair ain't an EZ mode plane, but the only really clear advantages of the La-7 are in top speed on the deck and, if you like cannon, firepower. That only holds up if the ElGay pilot knows HIS ride well enough not to get suckered into fighting a Corsair in a mid-speed fight.

Hoarach: No kidding. I was cruising in to A35 last night at ~10k alt and ran into THREE P-38s at least another 5k above me within about 5 miles of the field.

AutoPilot · « **Reply #9 on:** March 02, 2006, 04:09:53 PM »

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was cruising in to A35 last night at ~10k alt and ran into THREE P-38s at least another 5k above me within about 5 miles of the field.

Good ,it is spreading.

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and the la7s and spits of the present are no where near the numbers of chogs there used to be.

I really don't remember ever seeing that many C model corsairs flying around,and it doesn't really matter what plane it is,it's the pilot in the plane that countz.

Pooface · « **Reply #10 on:** March 02, 2006, 04:12:37 PM »

hoarach, you're probably seeing all those spits at low alt furballs, which is understandable. it it isnt anywhere near 3/5

as for the c-hog, it is maneuverable, amazing firepower, lots of ammo, good speed, reasonable range with DT's. it is uber. a typhie is heavy, cant roll or turn, and well, yeah... same goes for f4u, it is very fast (one of the fastest planes in the game, even on the deck), very maneuverable (i turnfight spits with it), its an uber plane

Krusty · « **Reply #11 on:** March 02, 2006, 04:16:19 PM »

I did some checking not long ago about the C-hog, and compared it to the spit16 we have now. The l-gay is now where it was then, basically second runner up, but by a large margin. The first plane was the chog. Now, a couple of things to consider: there were many many many less subscribers back then, there were less planes (a LOT less planes), so less choice, which means every plane will have a higher % of kills over the same plane today, simply because there's more choice now and folks will filter out into other rides.

The C-hog of its time was getting 20% of the kills in the MA, back when it was perked. It was leading the pack by MANY thousands of kills every month, over the L-gay and the N1k2. Now it is the spit16 which has many MANY thousands more kills than the L-gay, and then the 3rd is still the N1k2.

The LA7 and N1k2 have about 10,000-15,000 more kills per month than the next closest "best planes". The spit16 has 10,000 more than the LA-7 per month.

That's how many kills it's getting, AND that's *with* many many more planes than the C-hog had during its time.

Spit16 is the equivalent of the C-hog, but the HOs are more survivable (only just barely) and it's slow as s***. That's the main difference

(that, and lack of ord, lack of carrier capability, etc)

Hoarach · « **Reply #12 on:** March 02, 2006, 04:18:39 PM »

Poo dont even limit to low alt. Im seeing many lgays and dweebfires high. Seeing them more often at high alts then low.

Pooface · « **Reply #13 on:** March 02, 2006, 04:26:11 PM »

true say, but isnt that a good thing???? i'd love to see some more high alt fights, more fun, and more skill required. 16's will usually be lower though. 9s and 8s will be over 10 more often than others

and krusty, kills per month doesnt matter for s**t. it's K/D ratio that shows the success of a plane in the MA. 16 is fine for now. perking it is silly. the guys that complain about it are those that feel like their ride should be superior in every way, but get caught out because of their arrogance. they can be a pain sometimes, but they should only kill you if you dont play smart. if they get on your six, run, they are slower than people make out. if you cant outrun em, you should be able to outturn them. most of the time 16 pilots have no idea what they're doing, a lot of em are noobs

if any of you want some help practising against a 16, i fly em a bit, and like to think i know what im doing in them. just holler and we can go practise in the TA/DA

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #14 on:** March 02, 2006, 04:28:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Pooface
other planes are perked on performance, scarcity, things like that

HiTech has said it many times that planes are only perked if HT feels the plane will unbalance the game play if unperked.

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