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Offline dedalos

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« Reply #210 on: March 15, 2006, 10:36:06 AM »
Excelent post Slowhand  
Quote from: 2bighorn on December 15, 2010 at 03:46:18 PM
Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.

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« Reply #211 on: March 15, 2006, 12:14:51 PM »
Nicely put Sloe :aok
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« Reply #212 on: March 17, 2006, 01:40:04 AM »
Hoah, Sloehand.   That was one of the most intelligent, well thought out posts I've seen on this site.  Good job.

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« Reply #213 on: March 17, 2006, 11:33:30 AM »
So what about having a DA that operates somewhat like this? >>>>Click Here<<<<




The only killing going on would be between players that agree to it.

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« Reply #214 on: March 17, 2006, 02:06:12 PM »
Good post Sloe
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« Reply #215 on: March 17, 2006, 02:20:40 PM »
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« Last Edit: March 17, 2006, 04:54:18 PM by hitech »
Quote from: 2bighorn on December 15, 2010 at 03:46:18 PM
Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.

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« Reply #216 on: March 17, 2006, 05:46:20 PM »
I myself do not understand what everyone is complaining about regarding the DA now.......

I use to fly  Sour's dueling ladder, and when we had a match both would show up, pick 2 bases tune to a channel, privately if we wanted, pick our planes, our alt, etc.....then duel/fight


just a few nights ago, Me & dedalos went to the DA, he upped at 1 field, I at another, we tuned to each other,  and we fought it out, he whipped me everytime ;)

and there was no difference in that than fighting in the DA the way it was before HTC company made this latest change, it played the same way, you flew until you was out of ammo, fuel or shot down, that is how me and dedalos played the other night.......

only thing is you can not fight friendlies,  so what is so bad about that?


sloehand, you made some interesting comments and good post/reply

sorry you did not get what you thought you should have out of the Training Arena & trainers.....

am happy to read you was taught the advanced ACM, that is saying a whole lot........

wish best outcome for all...........who knows what that is though.........
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« Reply #217 on: March 17, 2006, 11:26:17 PM »
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I myself do not understand what everyone is complaining about regarding the DA now.......

and there was no difference in that than fighting in the DA the way it was before HTC company made this latest change, it played the same way, you flew until you was out of ammo, fuel or shot down, that is how me and dedalos played the other night.......

only thing is you can not fight friendlies,  so what is so bad about that?


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I appreciate your comments. It's hard to describe the actual experience and enjoyment that I and others are missing with the change to the DA, but I'll try.  

It goes beyond just the mechanics of the arena.  It's the loss of a greater level of friendly human interaction.  I suppose its actually a sense of a loss of community.  It's true you can still 'arrange' a very workable duel now, but you generally need to know who you want to duel with in the first place to make the arrangement.   I've never, ever found the need (nor the enjoyment) in singling out anyone in the MA to challenge them to a grudge match.  It  really does't appeal to me to make it a contest like that.

Previously, I could just pop into DA and expect to find some friends as well as someone (or three) that I'd never met or fought before.  To see if I'd gotten any better, I could pick on Hemp, or Dedalos, or Phish (or avoid them if I didn't want my ego bruised), who would show me a turn, a loop or two, then send be back to the tool shed.  No arranging, no setting up a convenient time, no flying from base to base to meet.  No fuss, no muss.  Impromptu quick death, ala carte.

Also, one of my big things was, I could watch duels from high up.  If I didn't accept a Check 6, no one bothered me.  Now I'd have to follow someone to another base for their fight and hope no one sees me, or includes me as a target.  Just damned inconvenient.

A big thing for me was, I could quickly find new pilots to: (1) make friends with,  (2) help with ACM tricks, (3) possibly recruit for JG-3.  With the ability to freely interact, offer duels, play and practise, etc. I could easily identify those whose attitude was, "I'm liking this game. I want to get better, and I'm NOT a screw-off".

I was able to meet pilots from the other countries that I didn't know or hadn't talked to before.  I often met a pilot for the first time in the DA who'd handed me my hat in the MA the night before.  And it was fun to meet him/her and in a friendly way see how I would do in a simple one-on-one.

My squaddies and I used to play impromtu games in the DA, like Canyon Run of Death (an extremely strange follow-the-leader).  Or, some intense training or practise excercises.  These are more difficult, or in some instances, impossible to do now.  At least not easily or as spontaneously.

In the old DA, we would all talk and chat about ACM, the current map, new hardware, etc.  The real time 'ease' of the conversation and interaction amongst ALL the people in the DA is something that is not there anymore.

I guess, in conclusion, I can only say I've gone into the DA since the change, and tried it, and found it extremely disappointing.  Few people are there anymore.  I won't travel to another base to get ganged by the other side.  And I don't have any personal grudges, or anyone I particularly seek out and schedule for ACM training.

What's been lost, among other things, is the spontaneity and ease of the action, and the commraderie, conversation and friendly competition that it supported.

Best I can do to explain it.  It was a damn fun place.  In fact, I think back to when I started with AH almost a year ago, and what I remember is different friends and when I met them...  in the DA.
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« Reply #218 on: March 18, 2006, 12:48:12 AM »
Wow, what a ride this thread has become.

Sloe makes some good points... I can't agree with his approach though, I think its bad practice to assume you're smarter than the guy who wrote your game...   Yes, once or twice I've felt like I've been told "take it or leave it" by HiTech, but you know, if I wrote my own game, I'd probably have the same feeling from time to time... And, I'd probably express it.  I'm a programmer, I know that users have an opinion about every little thing, and I've told some of mine who is on the coding end and who is on the using end...

I agree that the KS has hurt my squad training, but we have adapted around it.  I'd prefer not to have to work around it, but thats the way it is.

Before you take that as an endorsement of HT's approach I'd point out that if my squad is willing to work around it for LEGITIMATE reasons, I can guarantee that the abusers are willing to work around it for illegitimate reasons.

HT, wouldn't it be best for the community at large to simply ban the offenders rather than punish the people who have a legit use for having KS off in that arena?  I really don't have a strong urge to fly with the guys that can't seem to follow the rules anyhow, I know I wouldn't miss 'em at all.

At the end of the day, HTC decides who swims in this pool... It seems to me that could end the whole debate.  Pull the trigger.
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« Reply #219 on: March 18, 2006, 09:26:24 AM »
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HT, wouldn't it be best for the community at large to simply ban the offenders rather than punish the people who have a legit use for having KS off in that arena?  I really don't have a strong urge to fly with the guys that can't seem to follow the rules anyhow, I know I wouldn't miss 'em at all.


The key word is "simple". If it was simple to "simply ban the offenders", I am sure that is what would have been done. The problem is one of resourse allocation. The situation would require that the arena have "live" moderation on a semi-constant basis. Having some available to ban people from a low usage arena on a regular basis is not simple or an affective use of resources.

Think about it, hire a group of people to moderate the DA or simply change one byte of host code. Which would you chose?

While I agree that the change wasn't for the good, it was made because HT believes this was the most effective way to handle the problem. At the same time, it should be understood that HT isn't the bad guy. This was forced on him by the wanks that were abusing the arena.
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« Reply #220 on: March 18, 2006, 09:30:30 AM »
Yeah i here you guys. I am sick of the imature little kids coming in and spoiling it for everyone else. But some of the kids arent bad at all. Look at DUGY and MN38, they are kids but they dont come in acting tuff and shooting dwn anyone in front of them. Its the people like 1badmofo and lyoko who have been doing that. Maybe hitech should take it up with them instead of punishing all of us who want to have some good fights i the dueling arena.:aok

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« Reply #221 on: March 18, 2006, 10:49:25 PM »
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So since KS has been turned on i've asked my squad members if they wanted to go to the DA for a fight and everyone i asked told me no cause it takes to long and to switch countries, and fly from base to base, and dont foget changing to channel 201 or something like that.

 
sounds like pure laziness to me

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« Reply #222 on: March 19, 2006, 01:22:09 AM »
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Quote from: 2bighorn on December 15, 2010 at 03:46:18 PM
Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.

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« Reply #223 on: March 20, 2006, 05:50:45 AM »
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