DA Now Stinks

[hubsonfire]

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There may be quite a few of you beating the same dead horse at the same time, but it's still not going to get up and run.

[Stang]

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[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by Stang
6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com.

6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com.

[AutoPilot]

3- Do not open a new thread that duplicates a current topic.

The other DA threads were all about people bein dummies and vulchin and cryin and stuff.This thread is about how dead it is in the DA.



Just remember everybody:Vulching is fun when it's not happening too you!!!

[hubsonfire]

No, this thread is yet another asking for a return to the DA of old. This individual has been slightly more discrete than the others, but the point remains the same.

i really hope they will find another way besides KS

And, since we're busy flaming others in the connection threads, while we simultaneously remark on the degradation of our own connection, Autopilot-in-shades, I'll take this moment to point out that this is Sonic's first month as a subscriber.

**** freeloaders, **** shades accounts on the bbs.

[gatt]

Btw, I really cant understand ppl who dont even have time to t/o from different fields and/or switch channel. Is that such a big problem?

What about the free H2H mode? Great for duels and small engagements.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by sonic23
I was in the DA when KillShooter was turned on and hitech said this is a test. I thought nothing of it and went to the MA. Eventually i asked a trainer about it and he said it was staying on. He told me it was to stop vulching and then told me the way to still duel that i already knew but would take to long. I would go to the DA for quick fights when the MA started to bore me. I subscribed mostly because of the DA it is what made the game unique at first.

     So since KS has been turned on i've asked my squad members if they wanted to go to the DA for a fight and everyone i asked told me no cause it takes to long and to switch countries, and fly from base to base, and dont foget changing to channel 201 or something like that. so i go in the DA about 5 people there, next thing I knew ... BAM  I get vulched on the runway by a con. Then I ask if anyone wants to duel i get no answer i see all the other people chasing the con trying to get a kill. and i thought to myself this is nothing but the Backups Backup MA or a mini MA.

     Friday nights there use to be about 25-35 people in the DA but now there are 0-5 and everytime i check those people in their are obviously new cause they are shooting at each other while on the same country. KS was not the solution all it did is ruin it for everybody to stop those 10% vulchers. and if it got to bad i would just move to another base with a lot of other friends until it settled down. Also squad practicing is now harder and takes longer.

     there were plenty of other solutions like as people have said with the mods or put a trainer in there or volunteer trainers or  the best idea I have heard to leave KS on until both players agreed to have it be tuned off for those who ask to engage with you. i really hope they will find another way besides KS cause i dont know how much longer i can play in the MA only without getting bored. Im not saying the MA isnt fun just that there is really not much else to do.

ack-ack

[AutoPilot]

And, since we're busy flaming others in the connection threads, while we simultaneously remark on the degradation of our own connection, Autopilot-in-shades, I'll take this moment to point out that this is Sonic's first month as a subscriber.

Do you not get it?They are not all shades accounts.This is not my other account so i can fool people into thinking i am someone else,this is a different account because i typed something else that Skuzzy didn't like and he banned that ID.If this account gets banned then after the standard waiting period of a week goes by i will get another one,just ask batfink he knows all about it as well.

Funny how you guys talk about Shades Accounts like your all private detectives,along with all of you already being AeroNautical Engineer's.

[TexMurphy]

I no longer see any point of the DA what so ever...

The DA WAS a great training arena for pilots who wanted to polish their 1v1 dogfighting skills, something that is extreamly important to have in the MA, AvA and scenarios.

For this purpous the DA is totally useless. When a pilot goes into the DA he wants one thing, duels and quick access to duels. In the DA the pilot doesnt want to fly for 10-15 min between the duels because that significantly lowers the number of duels per hour. The number of duels per time unit is what counts when practicing.

Please change it back to the way it was so it gets usefull for dogfigthing practice again.

Tex

[dedalos]

I take evrything back.  I wen there last night with Airvent or what ever his name is now.  Great fights, but most importantly, peace and quiet.


HT, please leave as is.  Only problem is that you have to pre arange with someone to meet you there, but that is not a big deal.

The flight times between duels (after the first are less than 30 secs)

[hitech]

The problem.

Isn't that KS is on in the dualing arena, it is what the dualing arena was used for, i.e. free for all 1 sided quick kills. This has been a continuing problem for quite some time.

It used to be tried in the training arena. We had trainers there quite often, and they had eject privs. Guess what people abused the training arena as a result had to lower lethality so people would not use the training arena for somthing it was not designed for.

DA: It was designed for prearanged 1v1 fights. Once again a few people who wanted to just quick furball from 1 field moved from the training arena to the DA. Quite frankly there never have been a lot of people this method of game play. Once again they use the arena for somthing it isn't designed for. So as this style of play was used, suddenly a few people are complaining that some one else is disrupting there style of play, but there has never been anything in the design of AH for how they wish to play.

As for the excuses I hear about how that style of play is great "Training" I say BS. If it was just learning, the training arena is much better suited, After a quick 1v1 from heads on, It could be repeated with out even taking off again. What is realy being asked for is a start in air continious action shoot anyone type fight. And then a few people tried chaning the basic rules to have to "Check Six" someone before they could engage. So now Im asked to enforce a rule that HTC has never said was a rule.

And there quite frankly is no way that style of play can work under the honor system. All it takes is one person not adhearing to it, and every thing breaks down.
2nd there is no way HTC can police the DA. The best we could do is add 2 more fields to the terrain that are 1 or 2 miles apart, with no ack or other objects other than a hangar or tower. Vulching could still be an issue, but at least you could now who can and cant vulch you.

HiTech

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by hitech
The best we could do is add 2 more fields to the terrain that are 1 or 2 miles apart, with no ack or other objects other than a hangar or tower. Vulching could still be an issue, but at least you could now who can and cant vulch you.

That would be great.

Also, some 'islands' have same country fields and cannot be used. If that's changed all is OK

[dedalos]

Originally posted by hitech
And then a few people tried chaning the basic rules to have to "Check Six" someone before they could engage. So now Im asked to enforce a rule that HTC has never said was a rule.
 

Well, true, but those few were the only ones there.  What you were being asked to enforce was respect.  We did not mind changing fields, but they would follow.  Plenty of fields to furball if they wanted to, but it was not as mach fun as it was messing with some one elses fun.

In any case, it is fixed now.  Thank you  

[Murdr]

Originally posted by hitech
As for the excuses I hear about how that style of play is great "Training" I say BS. If it was just learning, the training arena is much better suited, After a quick 1v1 from heads on, It could be repeated with out even taking off again. What is realy being asked for is a start in air continious action shoot anyone type fight.

HiTech

What is really being asked for is flexibility in the format you provide us with, so we can tailor it to our own varying uses.  What you are seeing is frustration at the fact that this change has hampered or cut off how individuals have used it.  You cant have an inpromtue squad KoTH.  No, that definately wasnt what the DA was intended for, but it was the only place where the arena setting were ready made.  You cant do round robin dueling where the guy circling takes on the winner, when the winner calls ready....because the third guy would have to sit in the tower to wait and see which country the "winner" is from.  

As far a 1v1 "training", too much is assumed.  Many people only go to the DA with a friend to work on specific thing, and set their own ROE.  Leathality is a varible option in the DA where it is not in the TA.  Many times I have ran guns cold saying "Ok.  You're dead.  Here is what you are doing wrong" over and over till I am out of fuel.  While at the same time giving the "trainie" the experience of having full leathality avalible, and learning what shots are, and are not worth losing position to try to make.  Sure, that can still be done I guess.  Its just a pain in the prettythang now because of some boneheads who have never interfered with my DA experience before (Which by the way is because I sought out a private corner with my dueling partner(s).) are interfering with my use of it now.

By the way, as Ive been saying since last June if we had a "duel mode" similar to what was in that other game, then I could happily continue my uses of the DA, without regard to what the rest of you socially challenged idiots want to use it for.

[Sloehand]

I really miss the DA as a place to go for some relief and comraderie.  It is not the same, no matter what people try to say, and it's damn well no fun anymore.  
I am very disappointed that HiTech doesn't think there are a lot of people who don't like the new situation.  I hear alot of talk about the DA every day, and I'm even getting personal email about petitions and stuff, etc.  Which, others say won't work cause HiTech doesn't listen to petitions.  There's a condemnation if I ever heard one.
I just don't understand why HiTech doesn't realize the DA was a very important part of the AH experience for a fairly large number of players.  I hear alot of talk about letting people play in the MA the way they want (furballers, tool shedders, GV'ers, Buff pilots, etc.), but that doesn't jibe with taking the cheap and easy way to solve the problem in the DA, and at the same time, punish a lot of good players who enjoyed the DA in a variety of ways.
So it gets used sometimes for squad training, or KOTH, or impromptu quicky duels, which is not the way HiTech envisioned it.  So what?  By and large, the far greater majority of players in there were enjoying it every day and putting it to good use.
So the occasional anti-social misfit screws around a little too much, and people ask HiTech to help out (yea, I know, everyone who doesn't care thinks they WHINED about it.  What a nice community this is.)   So they dial the DA back and essentially spank everyone.  Not a very customer service/satisfaction oriented approach.
I really enjoy the game most of the time, in spite of its many flaws, and the DA was a place to go to withdraw for a while from the MA, when things got too frustrating or boring.  I guess what this really points up is, I like the game, but I am beginning to seriously dislike the company that owns AH and its policies.